Saturday, July 10, 2010

Evolving theology in a sense


Campo Del Moro, Madrid (photo from trekearth.com)

I have been discussing with my good friend from Florida, Documentary Man, some of the evolution (pardon that term) from my approach with my MPhil thesis (Wales, 2003), to my PhD thesis (Wales, 2010). He is reading the PhD thesis.

Here in this example, we can see how the terms 'in a sense' are relevant to theological and philosophical concepts as what I wrote in my MPhil thesis was more so from a practical theological perspective looking at philosophy of religion, whereas as my PhD thesis has a more developed philosophy of religion perspective.

From MPhil

Within this thesis it will be obvious that my view on God and the problem of evil has been somewhat influenced by the theology of John Calvin. This will be explained throughout the thesis; however, he held that God willed evil for the greater good without being a sinful contradictory being as God’s motives were pure, whereas those that sinned had impure motives. Some would object to this view stating that it is determinism, believing God must be coercing human beings to sin and commit evil actions within this system. Simon Blackburn defines determinism as follows:

The doctrine that every event has a cause. The usual explanation of this is that for every event, there is some antecedent state, related in such a way that it would break a law of nature for this antecedent state to exist yet the event not to happen. Blackburn (1996: 102).

In the case of human sin, John Calvin did not believe that God determined that people sin, and nor do I. God was not the antecedent for sin. I agree that God can use human sin for the greater good, yet human beings have free will and freely sin by choice within a sinful nature. Calvin stated concerning free will:

If freedom is opposed to coercion, I both acknowledge and consistently maintain that choice is free and I hold anyone who thinks otherwise to be a heretic. If, I say, it were called free in this sense of not being coerced nor forcibly moved by an external impulse, but moving of its own accord, I have no objection. Calvin (1543)(1996: 68).

Human beings in Calvin’s thinking were not forced by God to sin, but God as an infinite being had and used the power to use their sin for the greater good. So to say that God willed evil for the greater good means that God could use sinful actions of others in order to accomplish his divine purpose. Calvin stated:

For we do not say that the wicked sin of necessity in such a way as to imply that they sin without wilful and deliberate evil intent. The necessity comes from the fact that God accomplishes his work, which is sure and steadfast, through them. At the same time, however, the will and purpose to do evil which dwells within them makes them liable to censure. But, it is said, they are driven and forced to this by God. Indeed, but in such a way that in a single deed the action of God is one thing and their own action is another. For they gratify their evil and wicked desires, but God turns this wickedness so as to bring his judgements (judgments) to execution. Calvin (1543)(1996: 37).

God could set up events in such a way that someone would freely choose to sin, but this is not done in such a way that God is forcing or determining one to do so. Within this thesis I want to make it clear that I believe the problem of evil is, in large measure, a human problem. I believe in a human fall through sinful choice. God can still will, in a sense, that these sinful actions work for the greater good, but I do not believe in a Universe where God forces and predetermines people to commit individual sin. People are sinful in nature as they are descendants of Adam. This inherited and sinful nature means people will freely choose to sin and God does not coerce them into doing so. He may provide situations where he knows that certain individuals will sin, but his motives in this are for the greater good. This is not the most satisfying doctrine I suppose, but Biblically and philosophically valid nonetheless. This concept will be discussed throughout my thesis.

End of MPhil quote

PhD amendment

The MPhil argument

God wills evil for the greater good.

God does not cause, as in force or coerce significantly free human thoughts and actions.

A practical theological and less philosophical use of the term cause is provided.

Persons cause significantly free human actions.

Therefore:

Hard determinism is not used by God when persons sin.

I wrote my MPhil in 2003, and since then my understanding of compatibilism has increased. Plus, I need to point out that my advisor wanted me to clearly point out that God was not in practical theological terms the antecedent cause of sin, as in making persons sin. I still agree with the statement that God does not determine that people sin in the sense that I do not believe God uses compulsion or force. God was not the antecedent (preceding cause) of sin in the sense of God coercing or forcing people to commit sinful acts.

The point I was making was that God does not use hard determinism to cause people to sin as if they were sinning by compulsion and not freely.

However, it should be pointed out that in another more strictly philosophical sense, as God is sovereign over all events, he is the primary cause of evil and sin and he determines and allows human beings to freely sin as the secondary cause. In that sense God is the antecedent of sin.

However, God's motives remain pure in all that he wills. The statement was denying hard determinism, but not soft determinism.

With my PhD I now approach the topic more from the perspective of philosophy of religion and less from a practical theological perspective as with the MPhil. This is more so the case than a changing of my mind with the topic.

The PhD argument

God wills evil for the greater good.

God is the cause of all things.

A technical, philosophical use of the term cause is used.

God has the power to prohibit evil, and therefore what he does not prohibit he sanctions/causes.

Persons are a secondary cause of significantly free human actions.

Therefore:

Hard determinism is not used by God when persons sin.

BLACKBURN, SIMON (1996) Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, Oxford, Oxford University Press.

CALVIN, JOHN (1543)(1996) The Bondage and Liberation of the Will, Translated by G.I. Davies, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House.
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Photos from the Skypark in Marina Bay Sands Hotel, Singapore

Thanks, Mom.




34 comments:

  1. The photos remind me that it has been a long time since I was in Singapore.

    What you wrote on the problem of evil is a relief after reading Anselm! Do you think God knows which specific sins we will do before we are born? Or is He only working the overall strategy?

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  2. In the case of human sin, John Calvin did not believe that God determined that people sin, and nor do I.

    Intesting that you are talking about Calvin, because I quoted him just today in my Facebook conversation with that same homosexual Atheist, as part of my reply to his above comment that I quoted, as well as a number of other things he said:

    “Before we were reconciled to God, he both hated and loved us. Why did he love us? Because we were his creatures. Yet at the same time, he hated us, because he is the source of all righteousness and had to hate the evil within us.” – John Calvin

    God wills evil for the greater good.

    Yes, and I just today and the other day experienced a couple examples of this.

    My mailbox was vandalized, which I would consider an 'evil' thing. Yet, because of that, I got to meet my new neighbor, which I would consider a 'good' thing, since the same thing happened to his mailbox at the same time (presumably by the same individuals). My neighbor approached me to ask me about it, and a new acquantaince was made.

    This morning, I went to a Men's Breakfast at church. My car wouldn't start. A friend said, "Well, that's what you get for going to church." He was kidding, but some people (mainly unbelievers) might say, sarcastically, "And that's how God thanked you? That's sure some sorry God you got there!" And indeed, your car not starting might, at least in a minor way, might be considered an 'evil' (in the sense of 'bad') thing. However, better that it happen today than Sunday on the way to church, or, even worse, Monday morning, when I have to be at work. So, in that case, it was 'good.' Not only that, but God blessed me in several ways this morning, throughout that entire time. One way was that a couple sat on the church steps with me, even though it was really hot outside (the church had already been locked up by that time), the entire 1 hour 15 min. that I had to wait for AAA. Also, the AAA tow truck driver called 3 different places for me, to get the best price, as well as the closest place (since I only have the Basic plan, which is $5 a mile for every mile over 5 miles), which was another 'good' thing. When the garage told me it would be about 2 hours to fix it, and I went next door to McDonald's, that same couple was there, which was a great surprise to me, so we talked the entire 2 hours I was waiting for my car to be fixed. When I had to pay for the newly-installed starter, since it was $267, I was a bit worried, and sure enough, my Debit card did not work, since there was not enough money in my bank. I had been praying about that, and thanks be to God that my credit card did go through. So, that was another blessing. And, the entire time that I was checking to see if my car was being fixed yet, and paying for it, that same couple was waiting outside for me, just to make sure that I was able to make it home. So, they were a real blessing, and they displayed a true, selfless, Christian spirit, as far as helping their fellow man (and displaying true Christian love to a brother in Christ). So, out of something that seemed 'bad,' God blessed me with a number of 'good' things.

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  3. The photos remind me that it has been a long time since I was in Singapore.'

    I have not been to Asia yet, but Singapore looks interesting.

    'What you wrote on the problem of evil is a relief after reading Anselm! Do you think God knows which specific sins we will do before we are born? Or is He only working the overall strategy?'

    According to especially my PhD model based on Scripture, God is the infinite, eternal, omnipotent, first cause.

    He causes/wills all things.

    Therefore he would have absolute foreknowledge.

    Also:

    This would be done with pure motives within God's overall plan.

    Now, let us consider a slightly unorthodox view and state that possibly it is illogical for God to have foreknowledge of what has not yet occurred.

    I would reason that if this was the case God's power of deduction as an infinite being would allow him to deduce all things and therefore he would posses virtual foreknowledge.

    Thanks, Looney

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  4. 'Also, if people were born gay, then how could there be ex-gays?'

    Thanks, Jeff.

    Human beings are corrupted in sin, as in Romans 3.

    Corruption is not identical in each person.

    Homosexuality is considered sinful in the Bible (Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6).

    Homosexuality is a result of the fall.

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  5. So, they were a real blessing, and they displayed a true, selfless, Christian spirit, as far as helping their fellow man (and displaying true Christian love to a brother in Christ). So, out of something that seemed 'bad,' God blessed me with a number of 'good' things.'

    The love and help of fellow Christians is so often very appreciated.

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  6. Thanks, MD.

    By the way, MD has a British style online radio show.

    Prior to Zombie, Pope Chucklins and me going out to Cactus Club for a birthday dinner dinner last evening (where one of us, not me, spilled his water over our waitress, drenching her to the point that she said her shoe was soggy while serving tables) the photos from the Skypark in Marina Bay Sands Hotel, Singapore were discussed.

    Zombie and Chucklins suggested photoshop might have been used. While here are sites which appear to legitimize the photos:

    Cool

    Daily Mail

    Impactlab

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  7. Funny National Geographic take on Yogic Flying

    In Canada there is a political party, the Natural Law Party, which promotes Yogic Flying. It never got off the ground, however.

    I do sometimes have dreams where I feel like I am flying. Perhaps our post-resurrection bodies will be capable of flying.

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  8. Dr. Chuckles/Mr. Fly

    Whenever I hear or read of Yogic Flying I think of these two tracks:

    Celestial Terrestrial Commuters

    Cosmic Strut

    Well, now Mr. Old Spice is the rival of The Most Interesting Man in the World...

    Re: Tori Thompson Perry Old Spice

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  9. Thekingpin68© Philosophical Theology: Christmas Martial Arts

    Another site that borrows and changes my material and that of others.

    It states, for example:

    'http://thekingpin68.blogspot.com/2008/06/education-is that, I thought, "Well, at least in the martial arts MPhil research only degree, Theology and Philosophy of Religion

    I reason I could use it as a martial arts mouthguard if PhD research only degree, Theology and Philosophy of Religion thekingpin68 74, 947 Christmas martial arts photos of yours truly and lead me and please enjoy the martial arts thekingpin68 PhD research degree, Theology and Philosophy of Religion (Theodicy with Having taken a number of different styles of martial arts, I have learned to fight Satire and Theology; Philosophical Theology; All-Tur; Paradox Principles; The Disaster Channel (Jim thekingpin68© philosophical theology christmas (1) christomonism (1) church (13) church attendance (2) church discipline (1 thekingpin68. Gender: Male; Industry: Religion; Occupation: PhD dissertation candidate, Theology and Philosophy of Religion my personal views. Interests. Theology; Satire; Martial Arts Yukon River Brand new from Jeff Jenkins of Thoughts and Theology Well done, thanks Jeff. Part One According to Louis P. Pojman, pragmatism is a theory set forth by C.S. Peirce and thekingpin68, We could have used you, Rick and David for our martial arts photos Satire and Theology; Philosophical Theology; All-Tur; Paradox'

    And...

    'justin bieber removes left testicle, jeffrey jones, …
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    Justin

    Some of these sites are very goofy and ridiculous.

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  10. I like the axe body wash, but I love those old spice ads, now those are funny.

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  11. No one has gotten beyond stage 1 of yogic flying? Um, doesn't that tell you something??...

    What those guys are doing in that 'Yogic Flying' video does not look all that different from little kids jumping up and down on the bed. Now, if they can do the same thing across sharp rocks, or even going down an asphalt street doing that, that would be a little more impressive.

    I've seen frogs hopping around like those guys are doing. Maybe one day frogs will be able to fly too??

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  12. Thank you, Rick. Mr. Old Spice versus The Most Interesting Man in the World. That would be cool.

    Cheers, Jeff.

    I am not an expert on the occult, but realize that supernatural power does exist.

    But I will believe in yogic flying when I see it.

    It could be a new sport: Yogic racing

    Yogic Flying

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  13. Ok, here is the original.

    I think this is great BTW -- everything that MLK was trying to convey in the '60s.

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  14. 'Ok, here is the original.

    I think this is great BTW -- everything that MLK was trying to convey in the '60s.'

    I think Freeman makes a lot of sense.

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  15. You commented on John Calvin's influence on your theological views, in your opinion is John Calvin one of the most influential thinkers on you in your formulation of theology?
    -Just Curious-

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  16. The most interesting man in the world?? I thought it was you Doc?
    -Legends Magazine-

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  17. 'You commented on John Calvin's influence on your theological views, in your opinion is John Calvin one of the most influential thinkers on you in your formulation of theology?
    -Just Curious-'

    Yes, he is. But as I have some Baptist leanings, I should probably be considered more so Reformed as opposed to Calvinist.

    Good question, thank you.

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  18. 'The most interesting man in the world?? I thought it was you Doc?
    -Legends Magazine-'

    Although, humbly, that is the type of angle I need to promote.

    Show off

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  19. What do you think of the Canadian government spending 16 billion dollars for new fighter jets? Even if we need new planes, the way they are going about getting them smacks of corporatism. The JSF program is a pretty sweet deal for Lockheed Martin.

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  20. 'The purchase of F-35 Lightning II fighter jets is one of the biggest military projects in Canadian history, almost equal in size to the entire 2006 plan to acquire more than 2,000 trucks, 21 transport planes, 16 heavy helicopters and three ships for the Canadian Forces.'

    'The U.S. military is planning to buy more than 2,000 jets, and other countries such as Australia and the United Kingdom are also involved in the project. If Canada does not buy F-35s, officials say, it will be straying from the path followed by its “major allies” well into the middle of the century.'

    'The government added that the F-35 is deemed to be the only aircraft to meet Ottawa’s requirements, as spelled out in the 2008 “Canada First” defence policy. The F-35 would be the first jet in the Canadian Forces with radar-evading stealth capabilities, with the 65 new fighters replacing the current fleet of 80 CF-18s starting in 2017.'

    I am not sufficiently educated on military aircraft, but seems to me my friend Philip knows some.

    In general terms, I reason Canada should increase the size of its military in order to be more capable of military independence from the United States and United Kingdom.

    This increases Canadian sovereignty.

    At the same, those two military alliances and NATO are essential for Canadian security.

    Thanks, Chuck.

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  21. I think you are right what you all describe in the post. Thanks that you shared with us.

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  22. Thanks, I removed your link though. Your presentation reads like SPAM.

    I also placed the comment in this presently most recent post.

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  23. "He may provide situations where he knows that certain individuals will sin, but his motives in this are for the greater good." Deep. Questionable though, but since I don't know everything, I'm always wanting to know more. So, could you elaborate on this so I can grasp an understanding of it? Thanks


    I love your blog, by the way

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  24. '"He may provide situations where he knows that certain individuals will sin, but his motives in this are for the greater good." Deep. Questionable though, but since I don't know everything, I'm always wanting to know more. So, could you elaborate on this so I can grasp an understanding of it? Thanks'

    God is omniscient.

    God is omnipotent.

    God causes all things.

    God placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

    God placed Adam and Eve near the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    Adam and Eve had finite (limited) goodness and moral perfection. Contrary to God's infinite goodness and moral perfection.

    Adam and Eve lacked experience with evil and its results.

    Adam and Eve had limited free will. The were not forced or coerced in thought and actions that were morally signficant.

    God planned to save humanity in Christ.

    Conclusion:

    With perfectly good motives, God created a situation where he knew Adam and Eve would fall.

    'I love your blog, by the way'

    Thank you, Daij, your various blogs are worth reading.

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  25. Enjoyed the discussion on F-35 fighters and Canada's future purchasing of such aircraft. With regards to Chucky's comment on cost, before I question updating our air defence and its costs which is in the billions I would question the safety, reliability, and capabilities of our current CF-18 fighters and our pilots safety and their limited capabilities when compared to other nation's air power. We need to stay up to date and strengthen this great nation of Canada and pay the price and bring some effective air craft here!
    -Captain Canada-
    S.U.P.E.R. H.E.R.O.

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  26. Good thoughts on defence, Walter.

    Here is an article a blog link posted on and I found a main article:

    Christian student must change views to pass

    I can relate to this...

    Quote:

    'A graduate student in Georgia is suing her university after she was told she must undergo a remediation program due to her beliefs on homosexuality and transgendered persons.

    The student, Jennifer Keeton, 24, has been pursuing a master's degree in school counseling at Augusta State University since 2009, but school officials have informed her that she'll be dismissed from the program unless she alters her "central religious beliefs on human nature and conduct...'

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  27. Thanks for the interesting article from FOX NEWS on Jennifer. It seems to me with her education level and success in earning her degrees, she should have the intellectual freedom of choosing her beliefs and counselling philosophies when she counsels patients. If she can successfuly defend her position academically, philosophically, and morally, then she can believe and counsel her paitents the way she best sees fit!
    -Doc. Justice-

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  28. See also:

    Skubalon

    'It seems to me with her education level and success in earning her degrees, she should have the intellectual freedom of choosing her beliefs and counselling philosophies when she counsels patients. If she can successfuly defend her position academically, philosophically, and morally, then she can believe and counsel her paitents the way she best sees fit!'

    Well-stated. Agreed.

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  29. I do not believe that God causes people to sin. However, being omniscient, God knew, before He created them, that Satan would turn against Him and turn 1/3 of the angels against Him; and that human beings would sin against Him. Now, 2/3 of the angels remained faithful and sinless followers of God. However, all human beings became sinful, and therefore, to save a remnant of them, Jesus died for human beings---otherwise, all human beings would be cast into Hell. Since no human being comes to God willingly, God changes the hearts of some (a remnant).

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  30. Exodus 7:3 says, “But I will harden Pharaoh's heart that I may multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt.”

    And yet, Psalm 95:8-10 says, “Do not harden your hearts, as at Meribah, As in the day of Massah in the wilderness, "When your fathers tested Me, They tried Me, though they had seen My work. "For forty years I loathed that generation, And said they are a people who err in their heart, And they do not know My ways.”

    So why did God harden Pharaoh’s heart, especially in light of Psalm 95, where God commands people not to harden their hearts? I think that God merely gave Pharaoh what he already chose. The Bible says that, after the plague of blood, Pharaoh’s heart became hard; he would not listen; he turned, went into his palace, and did not even take this to heart. Later, after the plague of frogs, the Bible reports Pharaoh as saying, ‘I will let your people go; but when he saw relief, he hardened his heart and would not listen.’ After the plague of gnats, the Pharaoh still would not listen. Nine times in Exodus, the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart is ascribed to God. Another nine times, the Pharaoh is said to have hardened his own heart. Now, a non-Christian could say that this shows a contradiction in the Bible. However, a careful examination shows that the Pharaoh alone was the agent of the hardening in each of the first five plagues. Not until the 6th plague did God confirm the Pharaoh’s willful action. Soft soil allows plants to be planted and grow, while hard, dry soil does not allow for the easy growth of plants. The seed of faith could not take root in the hard, dry soil of Pharaoh’s heart. So, then, why did God harden Pharaoh’s heart? He simply reinforced the attitude that Pharaoh already had. God was the One Who brought the plagues, so God could keep Pharaoh’s mind from being changed by them. Ultimately, it was to glorify the Name of the only One Who rightfully deserves to be glorified and praised. In order for God to demonstrate His glory (and His power over all the Egyptian gods, because each of the plagues was directed toward specific Egyptian gods) and bring about all the plagues He had planned to demonstrate, Pharaoh had to be held back until the last plague was complete.

    Romans 9:14-27 says (caps original in NASB):
    “What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles. As He says also in Hosea, "I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, 'MY PEOPLE,' AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, 'BELOVED.'" "AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD." Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED.”

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  31. 'I do not believe that God causes people to sin. However, being omniscient, God knew, before He created them, that Satan would turn against Him and turn 1/3 of the angels against Him; and that human beings would sin against Him. Now, 2/3 of the angels remained faithful and sinless followers of God. However, all human beings became sinful, and therefore, to save a remnant of them, Jesus died for human beings---otherwise, all human beings would be cast into Hell. Since no human being comes to God willingly, God changes the hearts of some (a remnant).'

    With second argument.

    God causes all things in the sense of sanctioning and allowing/willing things to happen and not preventing.

    God does this with pure motives.


    'So why did God harden Pharaoh’s heart, especially in light of Psalm 95, where God commands people not to harden their hearts? I think that God merely gave Pharaoh what he already chose.'

    And, God is a sense, being infinite, omnipotent and omniscient had willed this before 'Pharaoh had already chosen'.

    Thanks, Jeff.

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