Sunday, September 03, 2017

Brief on John 17: World v World

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John 17 and two concepts of 'world' from the sermon today:

John 17

Excerpts from English Standard Version

5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world.

9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.[a] 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them[b] in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sake I consecrate myself,[c] that they also may be sanctified[d] in truth. 20 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. 24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26 I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.”

Bible Hub

'Strong's Concordance

kosmos: order, the world

Original

Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)

Short Definition: the world, universe

Definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

Strong's page 56, states see probably from the base of 2865:

Strong's Concordance

komizó: to bear, carry
Original Word: κομίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: komizó
Phonetic Spelling: (kom-id'-zo)

Short Definition: I bring, receive, recover Definition: (a) act: I convey, bring, carry, (b) mid: I receive back, receive what has belonged to myself but has been lost, or else promised but kept back, or: I get what has come to be my own by earning, recover.'
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My interpretation is that Jesus Christ desired his disciples to not live as the inhabitants of the world (Strong) live. These disciples are given by the Father to the Son, out of the world (6). As was pointed out in the sermon today, Jesus Christ is praying for these disciples and not for those in the world (society) (9).

Disciples of Jesus Christ are not to embrace and society in the world. They are not to embrace the world system. Disciples are to embrace the gospel via the triune God and Jesus Christ's atoning and resurrection work for those of humanity in Jesus Christ. Disciples are to embrace the Kingdom of God and the culminated Kingdom of God. The world (system my add) is renounced. Browning (398). At the same time, Jesus Christ in John 17, did not want his disciples to withdraw from the world, in the sense of withdrawing from society. Browning (398).

Browning reasons that there is no single or unitary concept for the world in the Bible. (399). This is in agreement with Bauer that has several definition headings based on the New Testament Greek, for κόσμος (445-446). There are also sub-headings based on these headings within the Bauer text, but there is no need to document these here.

1. Adornment. Adornment of women. 1 Peter 3:3. Perhaps Bauer means here that women are not to be of the world with adornment.  (This does not seem as relevant to this article.)

2. In philosophy, the world as the sum total of everything here and now.

3. The world as the sum total of all beings above the animals.

4. The world as the earth and the planet.

5. The world as mankind.

6. The world as the scene of earthly joys and possessions and sufferings.

7. The world and everything in it as hostile to God.

Within (7) based on what Bauer presents from John 15-17, the idea is that Jesus Christ has chosen his disciples out of the world, but for the present they must live in the world (2-6). (447).

BAUER, WALTER. (1979) A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Translated by Eric H. Wahlstrom, Chicago, The University of Chicago Press.

BROWNING, W.R.F. (1997) Dictionary of the Bible, Oxford, Oxford University Press.

STRONG, J. (1890)(1986) Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, Pickering, Ontario, Welch Publishing Company.

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