Sunday, April 28, 2013

Brief Sunday Scriptural & Theological Reflections

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A friend of mine when discussing his life struggles noted this concept from Song of Solomon/Song of Songs today. He has had and on, off and now on again romantic relationship.

Song of Solomon 2:7 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

 7 “[a]I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem, By the gazelles or by the hinds of the field, That you do not arouse or awaken my love Until [b]she pleases.”

R. W. Orr explains that is concept is repeated in 3:5 and 8:4. Orr (1986: 708). There is the idea here of not awakening passion prematurely, of not bringing about behavior which time has not yet properly arrived. Orr (1986: 708). Basically, the Lord is in charge and Orr states the time of love will arrive in due season. Orr (1986: 708).

I am in full agreement with the concept of my friend, thinking he was wise to allude to the text. Reading Solomon it is a counter to modern concepts of must have 'now' which often arise from the sinful nature and society and culture rather than Scripture and the Holy Spirit.

On the other hand, there is within Reformed theology the idea that persons always do the will of God, in disobedience or obedience. It is stated in Bondage and Liberation of the Will that Satan and the wicked are under his commandments. All things are subject to the power of God and so there is no thing that does not obey his will. Calvin (1543)(1996: 43).

I reason it a Biblical idea as God is omnipotent and eternal.

It can be deduced God in first cause and infinite.

God was the only entity in existence prior to the creation of matter and angelic beings.

With matter and angelic beings being finite.

God therefore has the power to sanction his perfect will, but also with what he permits. As Erickson has noted, God has a perfect and permissible will and most of what he wills would be his permissible will.

This allows for the possibility that God could as the first and primary cause of all things willingly allow secondary causes a multitude of thoughts, acts and actions in obedience and disobedience.

Therefore, one could for example, awaken love too early, awaken the wrong love, or reject a wrong person.

A key to decrease the likelihood of error is to in Christ, seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit and also gain as much related knowledge and wisdom as needed.

My friend seemed to be on that track.

CALVIN, JOHN (1543)(1996) The Bondage and Liberation of the Will, Translated by G.I. Davies, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House.

ERICKSON, MILLARD (1994) Christian Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House.

ORR, R.W. (1986) 'The Letters of John' in The International Bible Commentary, Grand Rapids, Zondervan.

So often relationships are based on misunderstandings...

It was the very early 1980's and my cousin David from Edinburgh came to visit us in Pitt Meadows. It may have been the summer because I remember leading him through an old short cut through real estate developments to reach a local pub. I was a kid, not even a teen. When he came back he stated he had a good time, but initially things were a bit rough because he was playing pool and he had asked the fellows if they wanted a 'fag' (cigarette) and he ended up with the pool cue at his throat. But when he explained they settled down and made friends.

Another one...

I told this story from a movie at lunch. A certain Mennonite friend with some non-resistant theology background was joking that he could quit being a software engineer one day and find work getting beat up.

From Dirty Harry (1971). The villain, Scorpio visits an African-American thug and pays him to beat him up in order to attempt to blame Dirty Harry for it. Near the end of the beating the thug asks, 'You sure you want the rest of it'? Scorpio states a racial slur and the thugs finishes off and throws him out stating...

'This one's on the house'.

I would post the YouTube video, but there is no full version.

Sunday, April 21, 2013

Beyond Today

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I have been watching 'Vikings' on History. Although I do not put much credence in historical theatre, in comparison to text, I still appreciate the religious references both Norse and Christian. At the church sermon Sunday, an elder preached and mentioned that the Vikings married Nuns which ended up converting the Vikings. Now, I must be clear that I am totally, ethically and morally against any kind of forced relationship or marriage. It was the product of brutal times.  It is interesting how the Lord used the power of women to lead men to conversion, however. I am not suggesting at all, Christians should date and marry non-believers either, because in a modern democratic Western context that usually will not lead to a conversion. The Vikings were already religious in a sense, and today in the West one would be facing secularism, empiricism, and much skepticism about the supernatural, which would make conversion more difficult in human terms at least.

The Vikings and Nuns scenario does show how God did use women as a ministry in a rather odd, unorthodox way.

As the saying goes, one should not place God in a box.

After church Mr. Matt stated he sent me an email wondering if such and such an organization was a cult.

Note, sometimes I do not receive emails, and I tend to not read them from my cell phone as it is more difficult and less practical and delete most of the messages as usually they should arrive to my Windows Live Mail as well which is my primary email service. Email on the cell phone is my backup only. However, sometimes the email messages do not show up on Windows Live Mail. Therefore for important messages please email them to me more than once if need be, on Facebook and Window Live Mail if needed. Thank you.

And of course there are also Blogger comments, but those would be public.

Mr. Matt was asking about the 'Beyond Today' program.

http://carm.org/ucog

According to Matt Slick from Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry/CARM, 'Beyond Today' is part of the media presentation of the United Church of God.

Founder: It was founded "by Bob Dick and David Hulme, in Arcadia, California, an offshoot of Herbert W. Armstrong and was formed in May of 1995. Headquarters: Milford, Ohio 'Origins: The United Church of God is an offshoot of the Worldwide Church of God. The group claims to beliefs traced backed to the first century.

Sabbatarian.

Slick states quote:

'Analysis: The United Church of God is a non-Christian cult that denies the Trinity, the true divinity of Christ, and requires both baptism and obedience to the commandments to be saved. It teaches that there is a "God family" of which we can become members through keeping the Law. Jesus is one of two divine beings, the Father being the other. The Holy Spirit is a force, a power, and is not the 3rd person of the Trinity, and it is received only through the laying on of hands by their church members. It also teaches that their members are obligated to keep the Sabbath and must observe seven festivals. They cannot eat unclean meat. This is a false religious system that teaches a false God, false Christ, and false gospel. Stay away from it.'

He also states:

'Other Teachings: They teach that the wicked, or unsaved, are not alive in hell but are annihilated. Baptism is by immersion. The Bible is inspired and inerrant. They are pre-millennial and maintain that Satan is a fallen, evil angel. Christians are not to go to war and should refuse being drafted.'

Worldwide Church of God

John Ankerberg and John Weldon provide some information. As does the late Dr. Walter R. Martin.

Herbert W. Armstrong (1892-1986). Garner Ted Armstrong. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 1).

Movement also known as Armstrongism Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 1).

Claim to have the only true interpretation of the Scripture Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 1).

God is currently two persons the Father and Jesus, now reproducing themselves into 'billions of persons'. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 2). God's purpose is noted as to reproduce himself as in recreating his own kind. Martin (1985: 318).

Jesus Christ is understood as Jehovah of the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible. Triparte. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 2). Martin quotes the theological understanding that in the atonement Christ's life resided in his blood and not in his spirit.  It is stated he did not shed a spirit to save persons from sins, and doing so gave life. Martin (1985: 320). But this seems a major theological misunderstanding of both the nature of God and the atonement, for in atonement Jesus Christ as the God/man would suffer physically and spiritually, in the atonement for the sins of humanity, a false distinction is being made. Even though God does not suffer physically, there would be spiritual anguish of experiencing the penalty for sin and the atoning work.

As Slick noted, this points to a misunderstanding of the true divinity of Christ. For the true God did fully understand and also did suffer, in a sense in spirit, in the atonement as God the Son, as some type of artificial separation within the incarnation should not be attempted.

The Holy Spirit is denied as the third person on the Trinity, but is viewed as 'God's mind and power', 'God's mind and love'. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

The Trinity is viewed as Satanic and pagan.  Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2). The Holy Spirit is viewed as divine spiritual love, but not the third person of the Trinity. Martin (1985: 321).

Salvation is 'By works'. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

Martin lists it as 'Salvation by Grace and Law'. Martin (1985: 321).

The blood of Christ is viewed as wiping the slate clean, but not saving a person.  A penalty for sin was paid. Martin (1985: 321). The atoning work of Christ saves persons from the death penalty and therefore based on this theology the Old Testament law and Ten Commandments still needs to be obeyed. Martin (1985: 321).

However, a reasoned review of New Testament texts such as Romans, Galatians, Ephesians and Hebrews will demonstrate that human beings are so corrupted in sin and unable to perfectly and fully obey the law that only the new covenant of Christ through grace through faith, can save persons, making the old covenant obsolete.

For example from Hebrews in regards to change in covenant:

Hebrews 7:26-28 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.

Hebrews 9:11-16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things [a]to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect [b]tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; 12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, [c]having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the [d]cleansing of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through [e]the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse [f]your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16 For where a [g]covenant is, there must of necessity [h]be the death of the one who made it.

Human beings become as God at the resurrection. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

The Bible is viewed as authoritative only under the Armstrongism view. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

Soul sleep is accepted as is a belief in annihilation of the wicked. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

Hell is viewed as a pagan doctrine and heaven is denied. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

This movement is also associated with Anglo-Israelism also known as British-Israelism. Martin states it originated roughly in the Elizabethan era with Richard Brothers (1757-1824). Martin (1985: 306). The theological view is that the ten lost tribes of Israel traveled westward through Northern Europe and eventually became the ancestors of the Saxons that eventually invaded England. The theory being the Anglo-Saxons are the lost ten tribes of Israel. Martin (1985: 306).

However, this view is not generally academically held.

ANKERBERG, JOHN AND JOHN WELDON (1999) Encyclopedia of Cults and New Religions, Eugene, Oregon, Harvest House Publishers.

MARTIN, WALTER (1965)(1985) The Kingdom of The Cults, Minneapolis, Bethany House Publishers.

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Friday, April 19, 2013

Genuine Evil? (PhD Edit)

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Some brief comments on the Boston Terror issue.

My prayers go out to all the victims. 

I have been watching some of the coverage on television and following some of the stories online. I reason the coverage via the Seattle CBS affiliate KIRO that is simulcasting with WBZ seems to actually be often more informative and less repetitive than CNN. I have found this with other major news stories as well that the local broadcasts are often more informative.

I like many others of course assumed the terrorists would have some connection to Islam. I do realize that technically there are what are described as moderate Muslims that will not commit such actions. Yes, I have met them, and know them. It is not a personal issue.

But, I would not fault Western governments for taking measures to profile in order to attempt to prevent such terrorist acts from possibly occurring again. And this would include documenting the ethnic origin of where persons are from, in this case Chechnya, Russia, and the religion associated, in this case, Islam, as long as basic rights and freedom were maintained based on Western democratic values.

There is a balance between security and freedoms. I lean toward more personal freedoms for citizens especially and the ability to have personal rights to protect self, but realize the State as in Romans 13 does have the God-given mandate to maintain law and order.

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During my Doctoral work Dr. Mesle was kind enough to personally reply to my requests for assistance and have his assistant send me photocopies of his out of print work which was useful as commentary on the works on the now late Professor John Hick.

Please note I have presented two posts in regard to the Gratuitous Problem of Evil, where I state I do not hold to gratuitous evil:

Genuine Evil? (PhD Edit)

Robert Mesle (1986) states that Hick’s approach has the same problem as every classical theistic concept, that being a denial of genuine evil.[1]  He notes that Hick risks making God into a devil as he has God ultimately responsible for evil,[2] and if Hick denies that God can prevent evil, he ceases to be a classical theist.[3]  Mesle writes that Hick’s position would be stronger if he admitted that not every evil led to something good occurring.[4]  He thinks that much of the evil in existence is unredeemed and can be called gratuitous evil which is unnecessary evil,[5] and is more harmful than good for humanity.[6]  Gratuitous evil, as an argument, is also known as the evidential argument for evil[7] and has been presented by atheistic philosopher William Rowe (1990) on more than one occasion.  He presents an argument for gratuitous evil[8] in ‘The Problem of Evil and Some Varieties of Atheism’ in The Problem of Evil.

Mesle (1991) notes that if God was truly omnipotent and had moral values equal to the best human ones as we understand them,[9] then there would be less suffering in the world.[10]  He states that Hick misses the point by not acknowledging gratuitous evil[11] as Hick sees that all evil must play a redemptive role for humanity.[12]  Hick answers this objection within a section of John Hick’s Theodicy (1991)[13] where he writes that the existence of an enormous amount of evil does not entail that God cannot work his ultimate good purposes.[14]  He comments that evils are not rendered good, or turned into merely apparent evil by the fact that God can turn them towards a good purpose.[15]  It should be stated that natural evils are not a major concern within Hick’s soul-making theodicy.[16]  This is because he thinks that human beings must exist in a challenging, dangerous environment in order for human progress to be made.[17]  For this reason natural evils would be a natural means which could assist God in potentially building souls.[18]

HICK, JOHN (1970) Evil and The God of Love, London, The Fontana Library.

HICK, JOHN (1978) ‘Present and Future Life’, Harvard Theological Review, Volume 71, Number 1-2, January-April, Harvard University.

HICK, JOHN (1981) Encountering Evil, Stephen T. Davis (ed.),  Atlanta, John Knox Press.

HICK, JOHN (1993)  ‘Afterword’ in GEIVETT, R. DOUGLAS (1993) Evil and the Evidence for God, Philadelphia, Temple University Press.

HICK, JOHN (1993) The Metaphor of God Incarnate, Louisville, Kentucky, John Know Press.

HICK, JOHN (1994) Death and Eternal Life, Louisville, Kentucky, John Knox Press.

HICK, JOHN (1999) ‘Life after Death’, in Alan Richardson and John Bowden (eds.), A New Dictionary of Christian Theology, Kent, SCM Press.

MESLE, C. ROBERT (1986) ‘The Problem of Genuine Evil: A Critique of John Hick’s Theodicy’, in The Journal of Religion, Volume 66, Number 4, pp. 412-430. October, Chicago, University of Chicago Press.

MESLE, C. ROBERT (1991) John Hick’s Theodicy, New York, St. Martin’s Press.

MESLE, C. ROBERT (2004) ‘Suffering, Meaning, and the Welfare of Children: What Do Theodicies Do?’, in American Journal of Theology & Philosophy, Volume 25, Number 3, September.  Lamoni, Iowa, Graceland University.

ROWE, WILLIAM L. (1990) ‘The Problem of Evil and Some Varieties of Atheism’, in Adams and Adams (eds.), The Problem of Evil, Oxford, Oxford University Press.

ROWE, WILLIAM L. (1994)  ‘The Problem of No Best World’, Faith and Philosophy, Volume 11, Number 2, April, pp. 269-278. Wilmore, Kentucky, Asbury College.

ROWE, WILLIAM L. (1996) ‘Privation’, in Robert Audi, (ed.), The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press.

ROWE, WILLIAM L. (1999) ‘The Problem of Divine Sovereignty and Human Freedom’, in Faith and Philosophy, Volume 16, Number 1, January, pp. 98-101. Wilmore, Kentucky, Asbury College.



[1] Mesle (1986: 418).
[2] Mesle (1986: 418).
[3] Mesle (1986: 418).
[4] Mesle (1986: 424).
[5] Mesle (1986: 424).
[6] Mesle (1986: 424).
[7] Rowe (1990: 1-3).
[8] Rowe (1990: 1-3).
[9] Mesle (1991: 15).
[10] Mesle (1991: 15).
[11] Mesle (1991: 38).
[12] Mesle (1991: 38).
[13] Hick in Mesle (1991: 130).
[14] Hick in Mesle (1991: 130).
[15] Hick in Mesle (1991: 130).
[16] Hick in Davis (2001: 48).
[17] Hick in Davis (2001: 48).
[18] Hick in Davis (2001: 48).

Friday, April 12, 2013

Philosophical & Psychological Tactics Revisited

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A follow-up to my November 27, 2012 post with the same title minus the 'Revisited'.

I completed approximately twenty percent of the internet business course and did receive some professional instruction. I did receive a percentage of my money back. My financial position has not been impaired.

Over the years my Mother and I, with me homecaring, especially my Mom, have looked into various internet ventures/business, mostly from the United States which involve affiliates. I gather she spent a considerable amount, attempting to make a living. I am not going to estimate here how much on such ventures such as affiliate marketing.

I think most of them offer hypothetical opportunities of making large incomes, or smaller incomes, but in reality gathering such affiliates is not just extremely hard work, but is just extremely difficult to do, period.

Notice I wrote an ebook/e-book which is listed in my publications. The course I took on ebook writing started off professional enough with some good suggestions on how to actually set-up a decently good website and produce an professional ebook, as I have done, but then the course actually did not even finish!

The writing literally stopped in the course on a webpage. It was actually as if the seemingly previously, honest and caring course host and man I paid the money to got to the point where he knew the money would be safe in hand and thought, 'Oh well, I did what I needed to do, I have my money, why bother finishing the course'. He did state some information on finding affiliates to assist selling an ebook prior to that point, but finding affiliates for ebooks would require posting on discussion boards and becoming known after months and years!

That was his best idea.

So, when I signed up for the ebook course the relative ease of setting up a successful ebook is over-emphasized and the extreme difficulty of selling an ebook through affiliates or by oneself is not emphasized.

Typical.

I also, as noted on the previous post completed a copywriting course, as my Mother paid for it as a gift while I was without a PhD advisor for a time. I was not visiting Wales or the UK.

So, I begrudgingly agreed, being very sceptical.

What I was taught has helped me with some aspects of blog marketing, such as headlines, I suppose, but I remember stating to Mom after I received a high grade on my first assignment,'Mom, just watch, they will give me a lower grade with more criticisms on the second assignment, which I will do much better on having learned, and then they will strongly suggest I pay more money for the Master's course'.

I stated that it was a con.

Sure enough, that is exactly what they did.  The formerly very friendly teacher had turned a bit stern.  If I wanted to make it as a copywriter and sit on beach was the type of pitch.

Surprise, surprise.

The Shadow knows...

As well, as I deduced at the time and more so later, if one wants to be a copywriter, one usually attends University or college and earns a BA.

Today, via my credit card bill, I had two large charges from a certain US state that I have never been to, and the amounts are more than any web service, as in security, I pay for. My brother, as I was thinking, suggested it may be someone connected to that internet company in the United States that I had dealings with in 2012 or associates, and I agree it could very well be as noted, but of course it is just speculation. So, I called my bank/credit card company and now have a cancelled credit card for four to seven days until a new one can be issued.

I have given up on internet based businesses with persons I do not know personally, and instead will work with my brother and family with Seacret Direct, which is skin care from the Dead Sea.
At least with my family I can see a level of success and know many of the people I am working with.

Monday, April 08, 2013

Throwaway Theology (PhD Edit)

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From my PhD this is section four from Methodology of Practical Theology: Methodology: Pattison and Woodward

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Four, it is unsystematic, throwaway theology that constantly needs to reinvent its tasks and methods.[1]  In my mind, this can work with certain strands of traditional theology, which Pattison and Woodward state are unchangeable and unchallengeable.[2]  This is so, since although for example, Reformed and Roman Catholic theological systems[3] have certain dogmas that make them what they are, human reaction to these systems will often vary.  Therefore, as a moderately conservative, Reformed theologian, even though I reason there are certain theological essentials[4] that I bring into my theodicy, the human reaction to these doctrines shall not always be the same,[5] and at the same time how the theology is understood and expressed may not be identical in different eras[6] even though the essential doctrines remain the same.  Calvinist, Millard J. Erickson (1994) comments that doctrines need not be maintained precisely with the same form of expression that they were in Biblical times.[7]  Erickson also points out that not all other sources of knowledge and truth need to be excluded from Christian teaching.[8]   Scriptural truth revealed from God remains the same, but practical and empirical findings can alter how certain theological dogma are implemented with a particular society, group, or individual.[9]  Jerry W. McCant (1991) provides the idea that New Testament doctrines were definitely presupposed within,[10] but the doctrines are not systematic or fully developed.[11]  I reason there are at times clearly defined Biblical doctrines,[12] but McCant is correct that the systemizing of these doctrines did not take place.[13]  This systemization[14] would be a task of systematic theology and philosophy of religion.  Practical and empirical theology can provide opportunities to evaluate practically systematic theology and philosophy of religion in regard to the problem of evil.[15]



[1] Pattison and Woodward (2000)(2007: 14).
[2] Pattison and Woodward (2000)(2007: 14).
[3] And Eastern Orthodox as well.
[4] Reformed methodology which be discussed in Chapter 3.
[5] Nor will be the various experiences of persons be the same.  Therefore these differing experiences need to be theological considered, as Cartledge points out.  Cartledge (2003: 249). 
[6] Erickson (1994: 37).
[7] Erickson (1994: 37).
[8] Erickson (1994: 37).  Including studies in science and medicine.
[9] Pattison and Woodward (2000)(2007: 14).
[10] McCant (1991: 471).
[11] McCant (1991: 471).
[12] McCant (1991: 471). 
[13] McCant (1991: 471).
[14] McCant (1991: 471).
[15] Pattison and Woodward (2000)(2007: 14).

CARTLEDGE, MARK J. (2002) Charismatic Glossolalia, Hants, England,
Ashgate Publishing Company.

CARTLEDGE, MARK J. (2003) Practical Theology, Carlisle, Cumbria, England, Paternoster Press.

ERICKSON, MILLARD (1994) Christian Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House. 

ERICKSON, MILLARD (2003) What Does God Know and When Does He Know It?, Grand Rapids, Zondervan. 

MCCANT, JERRY W. (1991) ‘The Development of Doctrine in the New Testament’, in David Alan Black and David S. Dockery (eds.), New Testament Criticism and Interpretation, Grand Rapids, Zondervan Publishing House.

WOODWARD, JAMES AND STEPHEN PATTISON (2000)(2007)(eds.), The Blackwell Reader in Pastoral and Practical Theology, Oxford, Blackwell Publishing.

Thursday, April 04, 2013

Johannes van Der Ven: Theodicy and Cosmodicy Symbols (PhD Edit)

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Theodicy Symbols

Professor van der Ven’s works, Practical Theology (1993)[1] and God Reinvented (1998),[2] both present seven theodicy symbols.  In contrast, the work of Vossen and Vermeer deal with theodicy models.[3] 

I specifically asked the Professor about the issue of symbols versus models, and Professor van der Ven emphatically explained to me by personal email which contained his symbols that there was within his empirical theology no difference between theodicy symbols and models,[4] and there does not appear within any of his work to be any clear-cut distinction by comparing the two.[5]  Vermeer does see a difference between symbols and models, which will be explained when his work is reviewed.[6]  In discussing these symbols,[7] I am not seeking to primarily critique his understanding of theodicy as I did with Augustine, Plantinga, Feinberg and Hick;  that is a secondary consideration for me with his work.[8]  

Professor van der Ven is not writing a philosophical theodicy approach with the use of his symbols,[9] and it is my primary concern to understand and explain what these symbols mean and how van der Ven uses them to relate theodicy to practical theology.  He does make philosophical assumptions in the production of these symbols, but he is not writing and defending a philosophical theodicy; rather he is taking philosophical and theological concepts and presenting the symbols[10] in order to empirically test a sample group of people.

April 5, 2013 

Vermeer explains that his three theodicy items are models and not symbols, because they represent abstract distinct theoretical concepts, as opposed to straight forward statements associated with certain theodicy ideas.

Professor van der Ven’s first three symbols deal with the absolute transcendence of God.[11]  Transcendence is the idea that God is completely and distinctively separate from his creation.[12]   Grenz and Olson write God is the ‘Transcendent One’[13] and is ‘self-sufficient’ from the world.[14]  God is from beyond the world and universe.[15]  J.S. Whale explains transcendence makes God inaccessible and unknowable to finite creatures.[16]   For Whale, Christ revealed the nature of the transcendent God in his life and ministry.[17]  According to Kreeft and Tacelli, God is not part of the physical universe, and is not limited by the universe.[18]  God is the creator of the universe and all things, and is ‘other’ than the universe.[19]

With the first symbol, God is viewed as apathetic and unaffected by suffering.[20]  
For God to be apathetic means he is unmovable and unmoved by what goes on in his creation,[21]
yet he keeps all things in motion and in existence.[22]  Professor van der Ven finds Moltmann’s discussion on the ancient view, that God is apathetic towards his creation, useful.[23]  Moltmann notes the related Greek term ‘apatheia’ which is the idea of an irresistible force that cannot be influenced by outside forces.[24]  Historically in early Greek times from Aristotle onwards, God was viewed as being without emotions.[25]  Brian Davies (1999) notes that the term ‘impassibility’ corresponds to ‘apatheia’[26] and defines impassibility as the traditional understanding that God, the divine nature, cannot experience pain or suffering.[27]  Davies believes it is incorrect to assume God’s impassibility should mean that the creator is indifferent or unconcerned about his creation.[28]  For Erickson, the idea of God’s divine nature as impassible is based upon the influence of ancient Greek thought rather than Scripture.[29]  Erickson points out that with the incarnation of Christ, God the Son did experience human suffering.[30]  He possessed a human nature that did suffer in life and in death, even though his divine nature coexisted with his human one.[31]  Kenneth Surin (1982) writes that God is considered by some within orthodox Christian theology to be unable to experience pain or sorrow.[32]  However, others concede that concluding God is impassible is a questionable view within traditional thought.[33]  

Surin thinks that perhaps God limits his omnipotence by identifying with human suffering.[34]  Paul Helm (2006), Professor Emeritus of the University of London,[35] reasons impassibility has lost intellectual support,[36] even though throughout the ages many within the Church have accepted the doctrine.[37]  Helm suggests that the doctrine needs to be reconsidered as God is not indifferent to human suffering,[38] nor does God express emotions of anger and passion as humans do.[39] The concept of impassibility opens up a complex discussion beyond this thesis, but it seems reasonable God can be both all-powerful and feel negative emotions.  It should be concluded suffering does not alter his divine attributes. 

Thiessen describes the immutability of God as meaning his divine nature, attributes, consciousness, and will cannot change.[40]  Erickson explains that God does not grow or develop, as there are no variations in his nature at different points within his existence.[41]  R.C. Sproul and Robert Wolgemuth (2000) deduce that as God is eternal he has no beginning or no end.[42]  As God is understood to be eternal and beyond time without a progression in nature, his infinite being would make a change in nature and character impossible.[43]  My modest proposal reasons since God is infinite and considered immutable,[44] it is impossible for him to suffer in the exact way that human beings do.  David A Pailin (1999) explains that within some process theology[45] approaches, God’s existence may be viewed as absolute, necessary and unchanging.[46]  However, God’s character can change and is determined through interaction with his creation.[47]  Pailin postulates that God’s character can change, as he loves his creatures.[48]  In my view, the divine nature does not have a physical body that can be altered, changed or die, as in John 4:24 where Jesus stated that God is spirit.[49]  Christ could suffer because he was both true God and true man,[50] but God as spirit[51] cannot suffer in human terms.  Since God is immutable,[52] any type or amount of suffering cannot alter his essential nature or being, or divine character.[53]  In contrast, suffering can definitely change the essential nature of human beings as, for example, in the case of an amputated limb or death.  Suffering can also change the mental and spiritual well being of a person, but God would not be altered in the same way.[54]

Erickson explains that it does seem a rational possibility, however, to conclude God does have emotions, although they are controlled.[55]  He indicates anger is involved in the idea of God’s wrath in the Biblical example Romans 1:18.[56]  God also has ‘agape’ love for his creatures, which is a steadfast, unselfish concern for them.[57]  It is reasonable to deduce that God’s love for humanity is not only a decision to care for them, but also includes intense concern for his creation.[58]  An understanding, infinite God could comprehend the sufferings of his finite creatures,[59] but God’s essential nature and being would not be altered by the experience of these feelings.[60]  There is no need to conclude that the sufferings of finite creatures alter the nature of an infinite God who can comprehend and feel those sufferings.[61]  Therefore, even if, for the sake of argument, impassibility is a correct deduction concerning God’s nature,[62] Christ possessing the full nature of God[63] and a full human nature[64] enabled him to experience suffering and evil.[65]  God the Son can therefore relate to human suffering on a personal level.  I reason God’s immutable nature does not necessarily make him impassible.

Second, the retaliatory symbol views God allowing suffering as punishment for sin.[66]  Professor van der Ven also calls this the retributive symbol,[67] and explains that evil was considered to be located in original sin and needed to be punished ultimately in the end times judgment.[68]  Professor van der Ven notes this symbol is often viewed as problematic, because it hampers God’s freedom and makes God’s ability to punish based on the sinful acts of humanity, as in original sin and the sins that follow.[69]  A question arises;  how is God’s freedom in danger by the fact that he can punish significantly free will actions of his creations that disobey him?  If God cannot freely punish sin, what can he freely punish?  Can God only freely punish actions that he coerced and forced?  This would likely be far more problematic than God punishing significantly free beings that disobey him.  Even with a sovereignty theodicy, human beings are viewed to have limited freedom,[70] being trapped in sin[71] and unable to please God without the Holy Spirit’s guidance and regeneration of individuals.[72]

Atonement is a multifaceted, complex subject[73] and would be another thesis in itself.  I shall briefly deal with the complex idea of God punishing sin.[74]  Erickson states Paul mentions the concept of propitiation in Romans 3: 25.[75]  C.H. Dodd (1935) explains that the Greek word in Romans 3: 25 should be translated expiation and not propitiation,[76] and claims that many Greek translations have been incorrect.[77]  Anthony D. Palma (2007) defines propitiation as to appease or pacify,[78] while expiation means to atone for as in offering or sacrifice.[79]  Grenz, Guretzki and Nordling explain that expiation is, for the Christian, the concept that the atoning work of Christ covered over and cancelled out his/her sins.[80]  Whale writes that expiation means God himself purges or covers human sin.[81]  To state that Christ expiates sin[82] means that his atoning work enables God to forgive sins[83] and gradually, and eventually, purge sinfulness out of obedient followers.[84]   Palma explains that some argue propitiation must be rejected in favour of expiation, since propitiation and its divine wrath is a concept that comes from pagan origins where pagan deities were appeased through sacrifice.[85]  He reasons that within the New Testament, propitiation includes the idea of expiation, but expiation does not necessarily include the idea of propitiation.[86]  James Strong explains that the word under review in Romans 3: 25, hilasterion, is defined as an expiatory place or thing, an ‘atoning victim’ along with ‘mercyseat’ and ‘propitiation.’[87]  This definition, although somewhat vague[88] does not contradict Palma’s concept that propitiation does include the idea of expiation.[89]  From Strong’s definition, Romans 3: 25 does perhaps allow for the idea of atonement in both the sense of sacrifice and appeasement.[90]  

However, his definition does place more emphasis on expiation than propitiation in the atonement process in Romans 3: 25.[91]  Walter Bauer writes that the meaning in Romans 3: 25 is uncertain and could be either expiates or propitiates.[92]  According to Strong the definition of the word from 1 John 2:2 and 4:10 is ‘atonement’ along with ‘expiator’ and ‘propitiation’ and so 1 John does not solve the issue from Romans.[93]  Since this thesis is primarily concerned with theodicy and atonement is a secondary, but important issue, let me conclude by stating that the Greek word allows for discussion and various interpretation.[94]  Some within liberal, progressive Christian traditions may insist that expiation is all that is required within the atoning work of Christ;[95] while others such as myself, within moderate conservative traditions may conclude expiation and propitiation, both sacrifice and appeasement are reasonable concepts within Christian atonement.[96]

Third, van der Ven introduces a planning symbol, that being God has a hidden plan in the life of each individual.[97]  Suffering has a certain function for a particular time in each life.[98]  The understanding that God has a plan for everyone in humanity is prevalent throughout Christian history.[99]  Whale writes creation has an ultimate meaning that is not disclosed until the end where the final purpose becomes clear.[100]  Death is the ultimate end of temporal suffering and Whale reasons that natural phenomenon does not completely explain it as human beings are not purely natural, but also posses God’s image.[101]  It seems, from a traditional Christian perspective, that in death, resurrection and judgment, the plan symbol[102] of God finally culminates.  According to Moltmann, through the history of the crucified and risen Christ, lies the consummation of the Kingdom of God that sets things free and provides them with meaning.[103]

As noted earlier, Antony Flew (1983)(1996) writes that God cannot be demonstrated to have a plan for guiding humanity.[104]  Therefore the idea of God having such a plan is meaningless, as such a plan cannot be shown empirically true or false.[105] Clarence Darrow (1932)(1973) writes that the best one can do is hold on ‘to the same speck of dirt’ as we proceed ‘side by side to our common doom.’[106]  Phillips doubts that there is a God that works things out in the end times in order that there is a reality on earth that consists of happiness[107] and perfection.[108]  Phillips reasons his criticisms will fall on ‘deaf ears.’[109]  Many that ponder of theodicy deal with it in problematic philosophical terms and not in terms of reality.[110]  This understanding would likely view van der Ven’s plans symbol[111] as a false concept.

Immanence is an aspect of the last four symbols.[112]  God’s immanence, according to G.R. Lewis (1996) explains God’s gracious presence in the lives of those forgiven and converted to Christ.[113]   For Erickson, God is immanent as he is present and active within creation, human nature, and history.[114]  Grenz and Olson warn that if immanence is over emphasized, theology can be too influenced by culture.[115]  Within each culture religious error occurs and this should not be blamed on God’s direct presence on matters. 

Professor van der Ven first introduces this fourth symbol, the therapeutic symbol, which is a combination of transcendence and immanence.[116] With this symbol, suffering is a means of purifying people in order for them to realize their true humanity by serving God.[117]  This view could be described as seeing the transcendent God as willing suffering upon disobedient humanity in order to immanently, through his Spirit, work inside believers for their ultimate betterment.[118]  Martens notes salvation, although multi-faceted,[119] is secure through the suffering of the servant.[120]  Gebara offers a different perspective when she discusses the idea of ‘God in the Absence of God.’[121]  She explains the idea of God as something unforeseen that can change the course of things, but has not.[122]  From a practical theology perspective one can understand that God as therapy[123] can be a hypothetical, but not apparently actual, concept in everyday life. 
The immanence symbols include compassion, the vicarious servant and the mystical.[124] 

The fifth symbol is God’s compassion for humanity.[125]  This is shown in the incarnate Christ and suffering through his atoning work for people.[126]  Christ represents God as caring for his followers,[127] and as J. Clinton McCann, Jr. (1993) assumes, God’s divine plan that led to Christ’s atoning work, ultimately enables God’s forgiveness and compassion.[128]   Dietrich Bonhoeffer (1937)(1963) explains that suffering and rejection sum up the cross of Christ.[129]  This was part of God’s essential plan.[130]  God’s compassion for humanity suffering under the problem of evil is shown as God incarnate Jesus Christ, suffers for the sins of humankind as the crucified God.[131]  God is not uncaring as God the Son was placed within the problem of evil in order to overcome it.[132]  The non-empirical nature of the theological divine compassion concept,[133] would be met disagreeably by many atheists.[134]  They could argue that it would be difficult to show God has compassion for persons since he cannot be shown to be empirically doing anything for humanity.[135]  This thesis is not involved in arguing philosophically for God’s existence, but relies on Biblical and theological argumentation concerning the work of God and Christ in creation.  As Moltmann indicated Christ lived and did God’s work, and this is important for both historical and eschatological[136] understandings.[137]

Sixth, the vicarious servant is the innocent sufferer who takes the place of God himself in order to surrender for people that are suffering.[138]  Specifically, the term ‘vicarious’ is usually, within Christian theology, used in the context of atonement and means ‘in the place of’[139] and that Christ died in the place of sinful humanity. [140] Whale reasons ‘vicarious suffering’ consists of one taking suffering for another.[141]  Vicarious atonement, according to Kreeft and Tacelli, can be sufferings that do not obviously appear to help someone, but may help certain persons atone for sin.[142]  For van der Ven, the blameless sufferer is God’s martyr and saves others on God’s behalf.[143]  Christ is the ultimate martyr within a Christian model,[144] but van der Ven explains that all are brothers and sisters in suffering, and this provides a fellowship of the weak.[145]  Bonhoeffer deduces that Christ transforms the mortal agony of his martyrs by granting them peace in his assured presence.[146]  This type of sacrifice, to Bonhoeffer, is how those who follow Christ overcome suffering as Christ did.[147] 

Professor van der Ven’s seventh theodicy symbol, and third symbol that is exclusively dealing with immanence, is that of the mystical.[148]  He describes this as a mystical union with God, which sees the sufferer surrendering to the will of the creator.[149]  E.J. Tinsley (1999), notes although Christian mysticism is difficult to define,[150] its main characteristics appear to be a sense of union and unity with God,[151] God being experienced beyond time continuously,[152] the experience between the believer and God is beyond mere subjectivity, joy is present,[153] and lastly there is a sense of the presence of the transcendent God.[154]  Mysticism is an attempt through prayer and meditation to achieve a heightened union with God,[155] and this mysticism is not only experiential, but a perceived actual experience with the transcendent God.[156]  Earl E. Cairns (1981) explains that mysticism exists in three forms.[157]  First the epistemological type which emphasizes how persons come to know God.[158]  With this approach spiritual intuition is crucial and more important than reason.[159]   Second, the metaphysical type which postulates the absorbing of the spirit of a person into the divine being that takes place on occasion.[160]  Third, the Biblical type which views mysticism as allowing the spiritual nature of an individual to relate to God through Christ, and the indwelling Holy Spirit.[161]  For one suffering with the problem of evil, an attempt at some type of mystic understanding with God would seem a reasonable thing to pursue.[162]  Biblical mysticism[163] does not appear like a practice that would oppose a traditional Christian understanding, as long as the mystic does not place mystical interpretations in priority over those found through studying Scripture and theology.  It would be quite natural for one suffering great evil to attempt, with God’s help, to harness a greater fellowship and mystical understanding[164] of the God who is willingly allowing evil to befall that person. 

Cosmodicy Symbols

Cosmodicy symbols, to Johannes van der Ven, are an immanent extension,[165] or provide an alternative to transcendent theodicy.[166]  Larry Alderink (1999) explains that cosmology in a general sense, indicates a view of the world or universe, and in particular how it is arranged.[167]  Whale writes that cosmology is looking at the cosmos and visible universe from a theistic perspective denying that it is self-explanatory.[168]  Pojman mentions that theistic versions of cosmology deduce something outside of the universe is required to explain its existence.[169]  Paul Edwards (1973) explains cosmology reasons that all things come into being through other things,[170] and since a causal series of events cannot go back in infinity, there must be a first cause.[171]  Thomas Aquinas is famous for discussing The Five Ways and his cosmological argument within Summa Theologica.[172]  Plantinga reasons that aspects of Aquinas’ presentation[173] are reasonable, but overall the argument is unsuccessful.[174]  I reason this does not render all arguments for first cause unsuccessful, but Plantinga points out difficulties with Aquinas’ approach,[175] which is perhaps too extensive.[176] Edwards comments[177] would adequately explain a more modest and reasonable idea concerning first cause.  

Professor van der Ven appears to be fusing the terms cosmology and theodicy to create the concept of cosmodicy symbols which parallel the theodicy symbols.[178]  First, the apathy symbol represents a cosmic view that nature is viewed as indifferent towards humanity.[179]  Nature is not beneficial to humanity and can cause human suffering,[180] and is governed by coincidence and fate.[181]  Second, opposing this first view is the idea that the cosmos is ordered by justice.[182]  Since law governs the universe, it naturally retaliates against human wrong actions.[183]  Third, human beings resign themselves to suffering with faith that their problems fit into an overall cosmic plan.[184]  Fourth, the cosmic therapeutic symbol views suffering as an ascetic[185] vehicle to develop people towards the greater good.[186]  Fifth, the compassion symbol views nature in a metaphorical way as interacting with the suffering of people in order that peace can be found in nature.[187]  Sixth, in order to make cosmic tragedy bearable, the concept of vicarious fellowship is introduced, meaning that people are to share sufferings with one another.[188]  Seventh, the mystic symbol explains suffering as a way of arriving at a deeper connection with nature.[189]  The cosmodicy symbols parallel the theodicy ones except suffering is approached from a naturalistic, secular or perhaps atheistic perspective.[190]  The basic concept of the seven items is the same, except in cosmodicy, where naturalism replaces theism as the primary force of nature.[191]

Additional Symbols

From  personal correspondence in 2005 and 2006, Professor van der Ven sent nine theodicy symbols with corresponding items.[192]  Included were retribution, plan, compassion, apathy, and the mystical.[193]  These five items appear to be covered in his previous work,[194] although he has added four items.[195]  The didactic symbol was added,[196] which he states consists of God inviting sufferers to learn from suffering, sufferers turning problems into learning experiences,[197] and lastly, God providing people with the strength to become better human beings through suffering.[198]  Professor van der Ven has also added the substitution symbol which he understands consists of God urging people to serve others through suffering,[199] God providing people through suffering the strength to help others, and God inviting people to make suffering a sacrifice for others.[200]  Notably, the therapeutic symbol is missing from van der Ven’s 2005 scheme,[201]  but the substitution symbol provides therapeutic elements by people helping others who are suffering while they are suffering simultaneously.[202]  The vicarious servant symbol is also missing from van der Ven’s 2005 scheme.[203]  Professor van der Ven has, however, included in 2005 an accusation symbol, which like the retaliatory symbol would relate to the concept of God’s justice.[204]  He lists the accusation symbol as consisting of sufferers accusing God of allowing evil,[205] persons blaming God for the amount of evil,[206] and people holding God responsible for evil.[207]  Lastly, van der Ven adds a lamentation symbol which consists of people reaching out to God,[208] sufferers asking God for support,[209] and finally people crying out to God while suffering.[210] 




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VAN DER VEN, JOHANNES AND ERIC VOSSEN (1996) Suffering: Why for God’s Sake? Grand Rapids, Eerdmans.

VOSSEN, H.J.M. ERIC (1993) ‘Images of God and Coping with Suffering’, Translated by S. Ralston, in Journal of Empirical Theology, Volume 6, pp. 19-38. Kampen, The Netherlands, Journal of Empirical Theology.

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[1] van der Ven (1993: 173-174). 
[2] van der Ven (1998: 212-213).
[3] Vossen (1993: 21).  Vermeer (1999: 18). 
[4] van der Ven (2006b: 1).
[5] van der Ven (2006b: 1).
[6] Vermeer (1999: 18).  There is a difference in approach and definitions between van der Ven and Vermeer.
[7] van der Ven (1993: 173-174).  van der Ven (2006b: 1).
[8] His work is more concerned with practical and empirical theology.
[9] van der Ven (1993: 173-174).
[10] van der Ven (1993: 173-174).
[11] van der Ven (1993: 173-174).
[12] Grenz, Guretzki, and Nordling.  (1999: 115).
[13] Grenz and Olson (1992: 10).
[14] Grenz and Olson (1992: 10).
[15] Grenz and Olson (1992: 10).
[16] Whale (1958: 56).
[17] Whale (1958: 109).
[18] Kreeft and Tacelli (1994: 93).
[19] Kreeft and Tacelli (1994: 93).
[20] van der Ven (1993: 173).
[21] van der Ven (1998: 212).
[22] van der Ven (1998: 212).
[23] van der Ven (1993: 173).
[24] Moltmann (1993: 267).
[25] Moltmann (1993: 268).
[26] Davies (1999: 288).
[27] Davies (1999: 288).
[28] Davies (1999: 288).
[29] Erickson (1994: 737).
[30] Erickson (1994: 737).
[31] Erickson (1994: 737).
[32] Surin (1982: 97).
[33] Surin (1982: 97).
[34] Surin (1982: 97).
[35] Helm (2006: 1).
[36] Helm (2006: 1).
[37] Helm (2006: 1).
[38] Helm (2006: 1).
[39] Helm (2006: 1).
[40] Thiessen (1956: 127).
[41] Erickson (1994: 274).
[42] Sproul and Wolgemuth (2000: 2).
[43] Sproul and Wolgemuth (2000: 2).
[44] Sproul and Wolgemuth (2000: 2).  Thiessen (1956: 127).  Erickson (1994: 274).
[45] Process theology as discussed previously is a twentieth century approach based on the philosophy of Alfred North Whitehead that presents a God that is involved in the continual process of world through two natures.  God has a transcendent nature which contains God’s perfect character and the consequent immanent nature by which God is part of the changing cosmic process. Grenz, Guretzki, and Nordling (1999: 95-96). 
[46] Pailin (1999: 469).
[47] Pailin (1999: 469).
[48] Pailin (1999: 469).
[49] The New American Standard Version Bible (1984: 1198).
[50] Schreck (1984:  16).  Franke (2005: 72).
[51] The New American Standard Version Bible (1984: 1198).
[52] Sproul and Wolgemuth (2000: 2).  Thiessen (1956: 127).  Erickson (1994: 274).
[53] Pailin (1999: 469).
[54] God has an infinite nature that cannot be changed, but finite human nature can be altered.
[55] Erickson (1994: 605).
[56] Erickson (1994: 605).
[57] Erickson (1994: 180).
[58] Erickson (1994: 180).
[59] Pailin (1999: 469).
[60] Thiessen (1956: 127).
[61] Thiessen (1956: 127).
[62] Surin (1982: 97). 
[63] Barth (1932-1968: 371). Williams (2007: 130).  Franke (2005: 72). 
[64] Williams (2007: 129).  Schreck (1984:  16).  Franke (2005: 72). 
[65] Bloesch (1987: 16).  He suffered as the reconciler between God and the world.  Williams (2007: 130).
[66] van der Ven (1993: 173).
[67] van der Ven (1998: 212).
[68] van der Ven (1998: 212).
[69] van der Ven (1993: 173).
[70] Feinberg (1986: 24).
[71] Luther (1525)(1972: 128).  Calvin (1543)(1996: 95-96).
[72] Packer (1996: 924).  Murray (1937-1966)(1977: 172).
[73] Erickson (1994: 783).
[74] Erickson (1994: 809-810).
[75] Erickson (1994: 809-810).
[76] Dodd (1935: 82-95).
[77] Dodd (1935: 82-95).
[78] Palma (2007: 1).
[79] Palma (2007: 1).
[80] Grenz, Guretzki, and Nordling (1999: 50).
[81] Whale (1958: 81).
[82] Whale (1958: 81).
[83] Whale (1958: 81).
[84] Whale (1958: 81).
[85] Palma (2007: 1).
[86] Palma (2007: 1).
[87] Strong (1890)(1986: 48).
[88] Strong (1890)(1986: 48).
[89] Palma (2007: 1).
[90] Strong (1890)(1986: 48).
[91] Strong (1890)(1986: 48).
[92] Bauer (1979: 375).
[93] Strong (1890)(1986: 49).
[94] Palma (2007: 1).
[95] Dodd (1935: 82-95).
[96] Erickson (1994: 809-810).  Strong (1890)(1986: 48).  Bauer (1979: 375).
[97] van der Ven (1993: 173).
[98] van der Ven (1998: 212-213).
[99] van der Ven (1993: 173).
[100] Whale (1958: 164).
[101] Whale (1958: 166).
[102] van der Ven (1993: 173).  van der Ven (1998: 212-213).
[103] Moltmann (1993: 338).
[104] Flew (1983)(1996: 92).
[105] Flew (1983)(1996: 92).
[106] Darrow (1932)(1973: 453).
[107] Phillips (2005: 265).
[108] Phillips (2005: 266).
[109] Phillips (2005: 273).
[110] Phillips (2005: 273-274).
[111] van der Ven (1993: 173).  van der Ven (1998: 212-213).
[112] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[113] Lewis (1996: 458-459).
[114] Erickson (1994: 302).
[115] Grenz and Olson (1992: 12).
[116] van der Ven (1998: 213).
[117] van der Ven (1998: 213).
[118] van der Ven (1998: 213).
[119] Martens (1990: 108).
[120] Martens (1990: 108).
[121] Gebara (2002: 155).
[122] Gebara (2002: 155).
[123] van der Ven (1998: 213).
[124] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[125] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[126] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[127] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[128] McCann (1993: 120).
[129] Bonhoeffer (1937)(1963: 96).
[130] Bonhoeffer (1937)(1963: 96).
[131] Moltmann (1993: 200-274).  Bonhoeffer (1937)(1963: 96).
[132] Moltmann (1993: 200-274).  Bonhoeffer (1937)(1963: 96).
[133] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[134] Flew (1983)(1996: 92).
[135] Flew (1983)(1996: 92).
[136] The doctrines of the last things, including the Second Coming of Christ, the Resurrection, Judgments, the Millennium and the Final State.  Thiessen (1956: 440).
[137] Moltmann (1993: 126-127).
[138] van der Ven (1998: 214).
[139] Grenz, Guretzki, and Nordling (1999: 120).
[140] Grenz, Guretzki, and Nordling (1999: 120).
[141] Whale (1958: 81-82).
[142] Kreeft and Tacelli (1994: 125).
[143] van der Ven (1993: 176).
[144] van der Ven (1993: 176).
[145] van der Ven (1993: 176).
[146] Bonhoeffer (1937)(1963: 101).
[147] Bonhoeffer (1937)(1963: 101).
[148] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[149] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[150] Tinsley (1999: 387).
[151] Tinsley (1999: 387).
[152] Tinsley (1999: 387).
[153] Tinsley (1999: 387).
[154] Tinsley (1999: 387).
[155] Tinsley (1999: 388).
[156] Tinsley (1999: 388).
[157] Cairns (1981: 100-101).
[158] Cairns (1981: 100-101).
[159] Cairns (1981: 100-101).
[160] Cairns (1981: 100-101).
[161] Cairns (1981: 100-101).
[162] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[163] Cairns (1981: 100-101).
[164] Cairns (1981: 100-101).  Tinsley (1999: 388).
[165] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[166] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[167] Alderink (1999: 126).
[168] Whale (1958: 22).
[169] Pojman (1996: 37).
[170] Edwards (1973: 377-378).
[171] Edwards (1973: 377-378).
[172] Aquinas, Thomas (1261)(1920). 
[173] Aquinas, Thomas (1261)(1920).
[174] Plantinga (1977)(2002: 80).
[175] Aquinas, Thomas (1261)(1920).
[176] Aquinas’ presentation although classic and important, is very speculative and Plantinga has disagreements with his overall work.  Plantinga (1977)(2002: 80).  Geivett reasons Plantinga is too negative concerning natural theology as possibly working.  Geivett (1993: 59-60). 
[177] Edwards (1973: 377-378).
[178] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[179] van der Ven (1993: 175).
[180] van der Ven (1998: 214).
[181] van der Ven (1998: 214).
[182] van der Ven (1998: 215).
[183] van der Ven (1993: 175).
[184] van der Ven (1993: 175).
[185] This concept would consist of a strict physical discipline which would include prayer, fasting and abstaining from sexual relations.  Blackburn (1996: 227).  Asceticism holds that physical nature is evil, and needs to be resisted.  Erickson (1994: 376).  An ascetic in a person who lives a life of religious contemplation and self-denial.  Nigosian (1994: 482).
[186] van der Ven (1993: 175).
[187] van der Ven (1998: 215-216).
[188] van der Ven (1993: 176).
[189] van der Ven (1998: 216).
[190] van der Ven (1993: 174-175).  I question whether many atheists would adopt these cosmodicy/cosmology symbols which still assume an overall cosmic plan.  Perhaps for many atheists there is no plan but just mutual existence and mutual death.  Human beings simply get along as best possible.  Darrow (1932)(1973: 453).
[191] van der Ven (1993: 174).
[192] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[193] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[194] The work just reviewed.
[195] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).  These are four items added that are not in a published work.  My advisor, Dr. Cartledge, having known this as an expert in the field of empirical theology, had Professor van der Ven share this new and original information with me in order that this PhD thesis be as recent as possible.  It would be detrimental to this work not to include this correspondence.
[196] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[197] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[198] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[199] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[200] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[201] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[202] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[203] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[204] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).  There are therefore some similarities to Augustinian and Reformed concepts of God’s justice.  Augustine (421)(1998: Chapter 96: 48).  Strong (1890)(1986: 48). 
[205] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[206] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[207] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[208] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[209] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).
[210] van der Ven (2005: 1-2).