Sunday, April 21, 2013

Beyond Today

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Dedicated to Mr. Matt

I have been watching 'Vikings' on History. Although I do not put much credence in historical theatre, in comparison to text, I still appreciate the religious references both Norse and Christian. At the church sermon Sunday, an elder preached and mentioned that the Vikings married Nuns which ended up converting the Vikings. Now, I must be clear that I am totally, ethically and morally against any kind of forced relationship or marriage. It was the product of brutal times.  It is interesting how the Lord used the power of women to lead men to conversion, however. I am not suggesting at all, Christians should date and marry non-believers either, because in a modern democratic Western context that usually will not lead to a conversion. The Vikings were already religious in a sense, and today in the West one would be facing secularism, empiricism, and much skepticism about the supernatural, which would make conversion more difficult in human terms at least.

The Vikings and Nuns scenario does show how God did use women as a ministry in a rather odd, unorthodox way.

As the saying goes, one should not place God in a box.

After church Mr. Matt stated he sent me an email wondering if such and such an organization was a cult.

Note, sometimes I do not receive emails, and I tend to not read them from my cell phone as it is more difficult and less practical and delete most of the messages as usually they should arrive to my Windows Live Mail as well which is my primary email service. Email on the cell phone is my backup only. However, sometimes the email messages do not show up on Windows Live Mail. Therefore for important messages please email them to me more than once if need be, on Facebook and Window Live Mail if needed. Thank you.

And of course there are also Blogger comments, but those would be public.

Mr. Matt was asking about the 'Beyond Today' program.

http://carm.org/ucog

According to Matt Slick from Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry/CARM, 'Beyond Today' is part of the media presentation of the United Church of God.

Founder: It was founded "by Bob Dick and David Hulme, in Arcadia, California, an offshoot of Herbert W. Armstrong and was formed in May of 1995. Headquarters: Milford, Ohio 'Origins: The United Church of God is an offshoot of the Worldwide Church of God. The group claims to beliefs traced backed to the first century.

Sabbatarian.

Slick states quote:

'Analysis: The United Church of God is a non-Christian cult that denies the Trinity, the true divinity of Christ, and requires both baptism and obedience to the commandments to be saved. It teaches that there is a "God family" of which we can become members through keeping the Law. Jesus is one of two divine beings, the Father being the other. The Holy Spirit is a force, a power, and is not the 3rd person of the Trinity, and it is received only through the laying on of hands by their church members. It also teaches that their members are obligated to keep the Sabbath and must observe seven festivals. They cannot eat unclean meat. This is a false religious system that teaches a false God, false Christ, and false gospel. Stay away from it.'

He also states:

'Other Teachings: They teach that the wicked, or unsaved, are not alive in hell but are annihilated. Baptism is by immersion. The Bible is inspired and inerrant. They are pre-millennial and maintain that Satan is a fallen, evil angel. Christians are not to go to war and should refuse being drafted.'

Worldwide Church of God

John Ankerberg and John Weldon provide some information. As does the late Dr. Walter R. Martin.

Herbert W. Armstrong (1892-1986). Garner Ted Armstrong. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 1).

Movement also known as Armstrongism Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 1).

Claim to have the only true interpretation of the Scripture Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 1).

God is currently two persons the Father and Jesus, now reproducing themselves into 'billions of persons'. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 2). God's purpose is noted as to reproduce himself as in recreating his own kind. Martin (1985: 318).

Jesus Christ is understood as Jehovah of the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible. Triparte. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 2). Martin quotes the theological understanding that in the atonement Christ's life resided in his blood and not in his spirit.  It is stated he did not shed a spirit to save persons from sins, and doing so gave life. Martin (1985: 320). But this seems a major theological misunderstanding of both the nature of God and the atonement, for in atonement Jesus Christ as the God/man would suffer physically and spiritually, in the atonement for the sins of humanity, a false distinction is being made. Even though God does not suffer physically, there would be spiritual anguish of experiencing the penalty for sin and the atoning work.

As Slick noted, this points to a misunderstanding of the true divinity of Christ. For the true God did fully understand and also did suffer, in a sense in spirit, in the atonement as God the Son, as some type of artificial separation within the incarnation should not be attempted.

The Holy Spirit is denied as the third person on the Trinity, but is viewed as 'God's mind and power', 'God's mind and love'. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

The Trinity is viewed as Satanic and pagan.  Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2). The Holy Spirit is viewed as divine spiritual love, but not the third person of the Trinity. Martin (1985: 321).

Salvation is 'By works'. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

Martin lists it as 'Salvation by Grace and Law'. Martin (1985: 321).

The blood of Christ is viewed as wiping the slate clean, but not saving a person.  A penalty for sin was paid. Martin (1985: 321). The atoning work of Christ saves persons from the death penalty and therefore based on this theology the Old Testament law and Ten Commandments still needs to be obeyed. Martin (1985: 321).

However, a reasoned review of New Testament texts such as Romans, Galatians, Ephesians and Hebrews will demonstrate that human beings are so corrupted in sin and unable to perfectly and fully obey the law that only the new covenant of Christ through grace through faith, can save persons, making the old covenant obsolete.

For example from Hebrews in regards to change in covenant:

Hebrews 7:26-28 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

26 For it was fitting for us to have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and exalted above the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.

Hebrews 9:11-16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things [a]to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect [b]tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; 12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, [c]having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the [d]cleansing of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through [e]the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse [f]your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16 For where a [g]covenant is, there must of necessity [h]be the death of the one who made it.

Human beings become as God at the resurrection. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

The Bible is viewed as authoritative only under the Armstrongism view. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

Soul sleep is accepted as is a belief in annihilation of the wicked. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

Hell is viewed as a pagan doctrine and heaven is denied. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999:  2).

This movement is also associated with Anglo-Israelism also known as British-Israelism. Martin states it originated roughly in the Elizabethan era with Richard Brothers (1757-1824). Martin (1985: 306). The theological view is that the ten lost tribes of Israel traveled westward through Northern Europe and eventually became the ancestors of the Saxons that eventually invaded England. The theory being the Anglo-Saxons are the lost ten tribes of Israel. Martin (1985: 306).

However, this view is not generally academically held.

ANKERBERG, JOHN AND JOHN WELDON (1999) Encyclopedia of Cults and New Religions, Eugene, Oregon, Harvest House Publishers.

MARTIN, WALTER (1965)(1985) The Kingdom of The Cults, Minneapolis, Bethany House Publishers.

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49 comments:

  1. "The blood of Christ is viewed as wiping the slate clean, but not saving a person."

    Personally, this is seems to me to be a key distinction; much of legalism in 'Amstrongism' seems to be a different interpretation of salvation. I have encountered similar teachings in the full-gospel movement, however, I wonder if this might be a simplistic reactionary stance toward those cheap grace folks-- "I'm saved and now I can live as I please."

    For Russell: how might a reformed blogger answer these questions:
    1. "what should a Christian's motivation for obedience be if we are saved by just believing?"
    2. More specifically, "What is our incentive to do good works now that we are saved Christian persons?"(I am thinking of an American question toward socialism as well: "what will be the motivation to work if the government provides for all citizens?")

    Thanks

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  2. I've been extremely busy with school work, staying up extremely late trying to get assignments done, so I haven't had much time to comment lately. I was wondering, Dr. Murray, did you usually use MLA formatting (as far as citing, etc.) in most of the papers you had to write?

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  3. 1. There is still judgement upon death for those in Christ, as in 2 Corinthians 5: 10. And as was discussed today in person there are verses in Scripture which very well may discuss Christians not in a state of repentance (and I do acknowledge the Scripture also notes false believers). 1 Corinthians 3, Hebrews 6, 2 Peter 3 are good reasonable examples of Christian believers not in a state of repentance. Examples of false believers, are the false prophets mentioned in 2 Peter 2, and those who deny Jesus is the Christ in 1 John 2.

    2. Rewards in Christ in the next life.
    Less hassles and relative peace and hopefully joy in this life. Not a guarantee of non-significant suffering, but for the most part the avoidance of needless suffering is very much worth it.

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  4. Thanks, Jeff.

    For my PhD, I used the British UK style that I use in most of my PhD edits that contains the footnotes.

    For my MPhil I used a style which had in-notes and not footnotes. Same when I was at Columbia Bible College.

    AT CBS/TWU I used Turabian style, which was a pain.

    When in doubt I would use a manual.:)

    MLA

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  5. Here are some of my thoughts on deeds versus works righteousness from my other blog (the other one you forgot to follow)

    http://matthewsmed.blogspot.ca/2012/05/be-complete.html

    Thanks,
    Matt

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  6. For a few other comments on works righteousness / works salvation, see the link to my other blog:

    http://matthewsmed.blogspot.ca/2012/05/be-complete.html

    Quoting from an old hymn:
    "put your deadly doing down"

    -Matt

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  7. Mr. Matt, add a follower app. to that blog.

    'MONDAY, MAY 21, 2012
    "Be" Complete
    We must "do" - we all know that,
    However "doing" may lead to spiritually "dying," when we hold to it tighter than we ought.

    We are valued without deeds - we are complete, loved, perfected in Him - so we ought not hold our doing so tight that it becomes what we are doing.

    The link here is that of doing and our value before God - which is wrong. Our value before God is set, and now, "looking unto Jesus," we believe. He will give us what we ought to do daily as a result, and within our belief.

    "Faith without deeds is dead" - stillborn. What, then are "deeds without faith?" As this song suggests - this, too, leads to death - and it stings to admit it in my life - my seeking to obey actually reeks of death, when I am doing it this way.

    Ira D Sankey'

    Just saw a semi-funny link...

    CNN

    '(CNN) -- Oscar-winning actress Reese Witherspoon's performance as an upset wife earned her a trip to jail and a disorderly conduct charge Friday.
    "You are going to be on national news," Witherspoon allegedly told a Georgia state trooper as he handcuffed her on Atlanta's Peachtree Road early Friday morning.
    That didn't discourage Trooper First Class J. Pyland from writing a very quotable arrest report suitable for national news.
    Witherspoon, who is in Atlanta to make a movie titled "The Good Lie," is charged with interfering with Pyland's arrest of her husband, Hollywood agent James Toth, on a drunken driving charge.
    "Mrs. Witherspoon began to hang out the window and say that she did not believe that I was a real police officer," Pyland wrote. "I told Mrs. Witherspoon to sit on her butt and be quiet."
    Witherspoon, 37, allegedly did not follow his order, getting out of the Ford Fusion instead. When the trooper warned her again, Witherspoon allegedly told him she was a U.S. citizen and allowed to "stand on American ground." Her American pride got her handcuffed.
    "I put my hands on Mrs. Witherspoon's arms to arrest her," Pyland wrote. "Mrs. Witherspoon was resistant but I was able to put handcuffs on her without incident due to Mr. Toth calming her."
    "Do you know my name?" he said Witherspoon asked. "I answered, 'No, I don't need to know your name.'"
    "You're about to find out who I am," she replied, the arrest report said.
    Pyland stopped Toth, 42, after seeing him weave in and out of his lane as he drove through the city's Buckhead community, the arrest report said.
    Toth's eyes were bloodshot and his clothing disheveled, Pyland wrote. After several coordination tests, he was given a breathalyzer test that registered 0.139, well above the legal limit of 0.08 for a driving under the influence charge, the report said.
    Their car was impounded, and Witherspoon and Toth were taken to the Atlanta city jail, the report said. An unidentified passenger in the back seat caught a cab, it said.
    The couple were bailed out of jail Saturday morning. A court date is set for Monday morning.
    Having had time to sober up, Witherspoon apologized profusely in a statement for her behavior.
    "But I do want to say, I clearly had one drink too many and I am deeply embarrassed about the things I said. It was definitely a scary situation and I was frightened for my husband, but that is no excuse. I was disrespectful to the officer who was just doing his job. I have nothing but respect for the police and I'm very sorry for my behavior."
    Witherspoon won a shelf full of awards for her performance as June Carter Cash in "Walk the Line," including a best actress Academy Award.
    Representatives for the actress did not immediately respond to CNN requests for comment.'

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  8. From Matt's blog:

    'Cast your deadly doing down;
    Down all at Jesus feet;
    Stand in Him, in Him alone,
    All glorious and complete.'

    Cheers.

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  9. Matthew Smed said...

    much of legalism in 'Armstrongism' seems to be a different interpretation of salvation.

    What is Armstrongism? Is the Worldwide Church of God a cult?

    ARMSTRONGISM (The Theology of Herbert W. Armstrong)

    "What is our incentive to do good works now that we are saved Christian persons?"

    Romans 6
    King James Version (KJV)

    6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

    8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

    9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

    10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

    11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

    13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

    14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

    15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

    16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

    17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

    18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

    19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

    20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

    21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

    22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

    23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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  10. Part 2 of my two cents/contribution:

    "what will be the motivation to work if the government provides for all citizens?"

    "For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living." (2 Thessalonians 3:10-12 ESV)

    "Go to the ant, O sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise. Without having any chief, officer, or ruler, she prepares her bread in summer and gathers her food in harvest." (Proverbs 6:6-8 ESV)

    "And to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one." (1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 ESV)

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  11. Ephesians 2 noted several times:

    Ephesians 2:8-10

    New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

    Good works, should include a good spiritual and temporal work ethic.

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  12. When in doubt I would use a manual.:)

    MLA


    Thanks, Russ.

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