Wednesday, November 11, 2009

The importance of theodicy

Las Vegas 

Yes, I know one could state: The impotence of theodicy, but I just used it. Well, I am leaving for my Vancouver-Phoenix-Los Angeles-Phoenix-Las Vegas-Salt Lake City-Vancouver trip next week. I will only be going to the airports at Vegas and Salt Lake, and so I will not be attempting to verbally spar with gamblers and Latter-Day Saints. Too bad, as I know it would help with material for the satire blog, but maybe something will come up in Phoenix and Los Angeles. I aim to have my last post of November an on tour posting for satire and theology. So, since I will not be around in a bit, here is my final academic posting on this blog for the month of November. I will try and check my blog Dashboard on the road and ask Chucky to check as well so please keep commenting and I will keep publishing. Thank you. 

The importance of theodicy 

Some dismiss theodicy entirely and some view it as only having limited value. Hille reasons that a satisfactory self-coherent answer to the question of the justice of God cannot be found in theology or philosophy. Hille (2004: 26). Ferraiolo explains that many critics of theism would claim the existence of gratuitous evil makes a theodicy a difficult thing to establish in our present world filled with evil. He concludes his article by noting it is not obvious that human suffering is reconcilable with theism. Ferraiolo (2005: 1). Pereboom writes that despite some important work within theodicy over the last thirty years, the problem of evil still remains the greatest challenge to theistic belief. Pereboom (2005: 33). Lindsley notes that many persons are unimpressed by Christian attempts at theodicy. He suggests that theodicy must be careful not to portray itself in a way that it is speaking for God. Lindsley (2003: 3). I fully admit and reason that theodicy is a speculative exercise to a degree, and any person writing on the subject should with humility approach it very carefully. 

Marcel Sarot comments that many feminist theologians see theodicy as dominated by white males, and these feminists reject notions of God’s omniscience, omnipotence, and perfect goodness. Sarot (1997: 29). An important point here is that it needs to be remembered that each writer of theodicy is approaching the subject from theological assumptions. Many theodicy views are written by men and some of these male writers may not adequately portray female and feminist perspectives on the problem of evil. Theologian Carl Henry writes that empirical and philosophical considerations devoid of revelation cannot vindicate God in this evil world. Henry (1983: 282). I can accept Henry’s point, as from a traditional Christian perspective, Biblical revelation is viewed as explaining God’s workings in his creation, although this revelation does not exhaustively discuss the problem of evil. Henri Blocher notes theodicy are failures in themselves and must have ideas within that square with Biblical revelation in order to be true and beneficial. Blocher (1994: 84). I do not agree that all theodicy are failures in themselves, but can grant a Christian theodicy needs the support of Scripture, which connects the reader to the salvific work of Christ. 

It should be noted that a theodicy written from a sovereignty perspective, to be very valuable, needs to focus on how God’s divine plans and purposes are accomplished through the development of human beings. Erlandson explains that many theodicy are fatally flawed since they are too focused on the idea of God creating a world for the best possible state of human beings. Erlandson (1991: 1). The ideas of Erlandson are in line with sovereignty theodicy, which places greater emphasis on God’s perfect and holy plans in willingly allowing the problem of evil to exist in creation, than does free will theodicy. 

Scudder comments that if the sovereignty of God is stressed, and evil is still considered to be reality, then this logically leads to the idea that God causes evil and it is part of a predetermined plan. Scudder (1940: 248). I agree with this notion, but Scudder deduces that a strong view of God willing evil for the greater good means evil could be understood as not really being evil. Scudder (1940: 248). I can understand how a scholar could come to such a conclusion, but a Reformed influenced sovereignty theodicy does not need to agree with this idea which is foreign to both traditional Reformed and conservative theology. 

Robert H. Mounce explains that God directs the affairs in life, for those who love him, for the greater good. Mounce (1995: 187). C.E.B. Cranfield comments that although God can will grievous and evil things to occur, God in Christ works these things towards the greater good, in particular in the context of salvation for those that know Christ. Cranfield (1992: 204). Evil and sin are not to be confused with goodness and obedience within Reformed traditions, but as God willingly allows evil things to occur, his purposes and motives are pure. 

David Ray Griffin critically disagrees with this concept of John Calvin and others, but correctly defines the idea that God’s will must be regarded as righteous, even when we as human beings cannot fully understand the rightness of his judgments, since God is the definition of righteousness. Griffin (1976: 129). Wright reasons the problem of evil can be solved in a straightforward manner by proposing that God predestines evils to occur for a particular purpose, and that persons do not have an answer back for God. Wright (1996: 197). This comment from Wright is accurate from a Reformed perspective. I can interject and state that academically solving the logical and gratuitous problems of evil by tying them back to God is an ultimate intellectual solution, but there are still practical ramifications to deal with, such as why certain evils occur. The fact that a sovereignty theodicy can logically and reasonable solve its problem of evil, does not mean that suffering often comes with an explanation. 

Ultimately, Christ’s atoning work and resurrection leads to a culminated Kingdom of God (Revelation 21-22) with resurrected citizens. That is the solution to the problem of evil within the realm that God intended human beings to have dominion over. A critic can rightly state that everlasting hell and therefore, in a sense, the problem of evil, will still exist. My reply is that an actual everlasting realm of hell, as a place of punishment is not intended for human beings to have dominion over and therefore there is no certain need for a remedy for evil within it. 

BLOCHER, HENRI. (1994) Evil and the Cross, Translated by David G. Preston, Leicester, InterVarsity Press. 

CRANFIELD, C.E.B. (1992) Romans: A Shorter Commentary, Grand Rapids, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. 

ERLANDSON, DOUG (1991) ‘A New Perspective on the Problem of Evil’, in Doug Erlandson PhD Philosophy, Reformed.org, Orange County, Covenant Community Church of Orange County. 

FERRAIOLO, WILLIAM (2005) ‘Eternal Selves and The Problem of Evil’, in Quodlibet Journal, Volume 7, Number 2, April-June, Evanston, Illinois, Quodlibet Journal. 

GRIFFIN, DAVID RAY (1976) God, Power, and Evil, Philadelphia, The Westminster Press. 

HENRY, CARL (1983) God, Revelation and Authority: Volume 6: God Who Stands and Stays, Waco, Word Books. 

HILLE, ROLF (2004) ‘A Biblical-Theological Response to the Problem of Theodicy in the Context of the Modern Criticism of Religion’, in Evangelical Review of Theology, Volume 28, Number 1, pp. 21-37. Carlisle, UK, Evangelical Review of Theology. 

LINDSLEY, ART (2003) ‘The Problem of Evil’, Knowing & Doing, Winter, Springfield, Virginia, C.S. Lewis Institute. 

MOUNCE, ROBERT H. (1995) The New American Commentary: Romans, Nashville, Broadman & Holman Publishers. 

PEREBOOM, DERK (2005) ‘The Problem of Evil’, in The Blackwell Guide to Philosophy of Religion, William E. Mann, (ed.), Oxford, Blackwell Publishing. 

SAROT, MARCEL (1997) ‘Evil, Tragedy and Feminist Theology: New Impulses for Theodicy’, in Theology Digest, Volume 44, Number 1, Spring, pp. 29-33. St. Louis, Missouri, Theology Digest. 

SCUDDER, DELTON, LEWIS (1940) Tennant’s Philosophical Theology, London, Oxford University Press. 

WRIGHT, R.K.McGREGOR (1996) No Place for Sovereignty, Downers Grove, Illinois, InterVarsity Press.

   

Jeff posted this on Facebook. I had a German Shepherd-Husky and Domestic Cat at the same time that looked colour wise a fair bit like these two, but back in the 1980s. They were not 'best buds'!

53 comments:

  1. The problem of evil is certainly an issue that we must deal with, though, from a practical perspective, we sometimes must be willing to say, "I don't know".

    Of course, from an "acedamia" standpoint, "I don't know" won't fly with professors! :-)

    One thing we as Christians do know, however, is that God is sovereign and that all things ultimately glorify Him. So if our answers to this question begin to cause us (or others) to...well...question :-) the majesty of God, then we must be willing to consider rethinking and reformulating our understanding from God's Word.

    We must be very careful here so that we continue to honor God as His children. And this is why it's so dangerous to go beyond what the Bible says about this. As Christians, we must allow the Bible to direct our understanding whether people like it or not. We must be willing to stop just short of a completley satisfactory answer to some questions. God's Word doesn't always relieve (to our satisfaction) all the tension that we sometimes find in it.

    That's okay by me! Though I must admit that for a time (a looong time) it wasn't. And oftentimes when I tried to completlely relieve the tension I experienced (either for myself or for an opponent) I ended up with unbiblical ideas about others things (and around and around I would go).

    Through reading your material, I've found that you are willing to go only as far as the Scripture allows you to go, and for that you are to be commended. Of course, we may disagree about certain aspects of doctrine, but even here you are bound in conscience to the Scripture over and above philosophical/theological speculation.

    Once we determine within ourselves that the Scripture is not inerrant or sufficient to answer the questions that God wants us to ask, then we easily get "turned around by every wind of doctrine" and have no solid foundation for anything that we believe. Sadly we have far too many "Christian" ministers/pastors/professors who have compromised the truth with endless, ungodly speculations.

    Keep up the great work here, Russ. And enjoy your travels! Mrs. Moogly and I would like to get back to Vancouver. We loved our short stay there after returning from our Alaska cruise. We were hoping to get out there for the Olympics and watch some hockey (Olympic Hockey is the best!), but finances have dictated otherwise.

    "See you" when you get back! :-)

    GGM

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  2. I am leaving for my Vancouver-Phoenix-Los Angeles-Phoenix-Las Vegas-Salt Lake City-Vancouver trip next week. I will try and do a post on satire and theology about the trip, Aline.:)

    That's great, my friend! It's very nice to travel and tell people about our experiences around the world! Tourism is the best activity Man have ever created!!! =)

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  3. 'One thing we as Christians do know, however, is that God is sovereign and that all things ultimately glorify Him. So if our answers to this question begin to cause us (or others) to...well...question :-) the majesty of God, then we must be willing to consider rethinking and reformulating our understanding from God's Word.'

    Well stated, GGM.

    Speculation, when done should at least be noted as such and be Biblical.

    'Keep up the great work here, Russ. And enjoy your travels! Mrs. Moogly and I would like to get back to Vancouver. We loved our short stay there after returning from our Alaska cruise. We were hoping to get out there for the Olympics and watch some hockey (Olympic Hockey is the best!), but finances have dictated otherwise.'

    A few months ago an American friend of mine that works for EA applied for Olympic tickets and was skunked. I take it the tickets are hard to land.

    Your friend, Russ.

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  4. 'That's great, my friend! It's very nice to travel and tell people about our experiences around the world! Tourism is the best activity Man have ever created!!! =)'

    Thanks, Aline, I enjoy seeing the world.

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  5. OK, since you stole my dog and cat photo from Facebook, Russ, I'm going to steal your car crash video and post it on Facebook. ;)

    I really like GGM's comment.

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  6. Hey!! They are my dog and cat.

    It is nice to see you and GGM all buddy buddy.;)

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  7. As you already know, Russ, disagreements will never separate brothers in Christ unless Christ Himself can be separated from the Father and the Spirit!

    Thanks Jeff.

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  8. 'As you already know, Russ, disagreements will never separate brothers in Christ unless Christ Himself can be separated from the Father and the Spirit! Thanks Jeff.'

    Sadly, some brothers and sisters in Christ do act like they are separated from others is Christ. Cheers, my friend.

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  9. As you already know, Russ, disagreements will never separate brothers in Christ unless Christ Himself can be separated from the Father and the Spirit!

    Amen, GGM.

    Sadly, some brothers and sisters in Christ do act like they are separated from others is Christ.

    Too often true, Russ.

    "To dwell above with saints we love,
    O that will be glory
    But to dwell below with saints we know,
    Well, that's another story."

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  10. And now, back to our main subject, which is of course, Islam. (OK, so it's not, but hey, I have a reputation to uphold, with my off-topic posts):

    Third Jihad Segment - Homegrown Jihad & Foiled Terror Plots

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  11. Islamic terrorism.

    False religion of all kinds.

    Both are aspects of the problem of evil.

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  12. A soccer Dive that's Hollywood worthy!!
    -Super Socco-

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  13. I loved GGM's comments! Have a fun time at all those airports! Your satire regarding Latter Day Saints would have been interesting!

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  14. 'I loved GGM's comments! Have a fun time at all those airports! Your satire regarding Latter Day Saints would have been interesting!'

    Jason has another fan!

    Thanks, Daij.

    I was in Greater Phoenix in October 2002 (It was like a spring/summer in Maple Ridge) and there were many churches there. Next to Lutheran churches I saw more Latter-Day Saints churches than any other. The LDS had a television station.

    So, I suppose I could still get into 'trouble' God willing.

    So please keep an eye on the satire site in links for my last post of November.

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  15. "Jason has another fan!"

    Hooray! What does that make now...two? :-)

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  16. From my Facebook comments:

    Blogger Next Blog now connects Christian blogs primarily with Christian blogs, but also LDS and others.

    I must admit I get a little annoyed by bloggers that allow comments and then do not publish reasonable and fair comments. I will leave a related comment and sometimes blog info.

    Many dedicated bloggers (I am not discussing or criticizing at all ones that only blog occasionally) seem uninterested in networking and will very likely stay in relative obscurity, unless they are already well-known, which is rare.

    Not that I am a famous blogger, mind you. And no I am not a legend in my own mind as a gay activist from California 'trolled' me as a few years ago, when I allowed those.

    I would suggest that if bloggers do not want comments from those they do not know...do not have comments as it is the worldwide web.

    I saw one apologetics blog that would not publish a comment concerning any book they had not read. Lame. How open-minded.

    I will allow basically any comment that is not Spam only and does not use ad hominem or is from a troll. Not that I cannot intellectually deal with personal attacks and trolls but it can boil up anger in me and I am attempting to remain Christ-like online.

    Okay, more... I also receive the impression certain bloggers will only publish a comment if they deem it quality wise acceptable, as in 'Do I agree with what you are stating?' or 'Did you really understand my post?' I think it better to let people reasonably comment and perhaps return and over time better grasp the blog material. This is speculative, but I get the impression some that have blogs are on a 'power trip' where they can express their views in their own little private (but actually public because it is the www!) forum. No one dare rock the boat! When I go to a blog and I see many, many rules, I think 'good-bye.'

    Enjoy obscurity, unless you are well-known.;)

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  17. Okay, more... I also receive the impression certain bloggers will only publish a comment if they deem it quality wise acceptable, as in 'Do I agree with what you are stating?' or 'Did you really understand my post?' I think it better to let people reasonably comment and perhaps return and over time better grasp the blog material. This is speculative, but I get the impression some that have blogs are on a 'power trip' where they can express their views in their own little private (but actually public because it is the www!) forum. No one dare rock the boat! When I go to a blog and I see many, many rules, I think 'good-bye.'

    Russ, I can't believe you said that. You expressed very well what I have thought in the past about a couple blogs I encountered. I didn't want to say anything, and I thought maybe it was just me, or my inability or failure to adapt to other people's blogs, but you hit the nail on the head. I said 'goodbye' to those blogs as well, and thankfully, it has been quite a while since I have visited any blogs that were like that.

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  18. Brigitte Gabriel Blasts Political Correctness
    ACT! for America Founder and President, Brigitte Gabriel delineates the disastrous effect Political Correctness is having on our leaders and citizens in the fight against Radical Islam in America. She lambastes its debilitating power to render government and the military impotent in fretting out those who wish us harm. She lays the killings at FT. Hood at the feet of the PC mentality world.

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  19. Jeff, thanks for the support in regard to the philosophy of blogging. I wish more Christians were open to networking. I joined this site thanks to your email and some clips on You Tube:

    ACT

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  20. Although Muffin and Rebel were not 'buds', I understand that Muffin would follow along behind when Russ took Rebel for a walk.

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  21. Muffin used to wait until Rebel and I walked by the Cadillac in the carport with Rebel on a leash. Muffin would often swat Rebel as the dog would go by.

    There is an amusing (perhaps not to some) but very unChristian event concerning Andrew Sacks/Manuel.

    WARNING! Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross Offensive Phone Call to Andrew Sachs can be found on You Tube.

    It was a huge story in the UK.

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  22. Hello Russ,

    but as God willingly allows evil things to occur, his purposes and motives are pure.

    I have a tendency to agree with the above statement but i also believe as Mounce stated that God will work things out for the greater good of them that love Him.

    Very interesting Post Russ.. Hey enjoy your travels and be safe and have a great time with family :)

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  23. I agree with your points, Tammy, and thanks very much.

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  24. Russ, I assume you are already familiar with Networked Blogs on Facebook:

    NetworkedBlogs

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  25. 'Allah and Mohammed are clear in the doctrine of Islam; Islam does not arrive in non-Islamic countries to assimilate but conquer. This is jihad. Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan. Koran, 4:76 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah ’s Apostle said, ” I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)” Bukhari, Hadith, 4:52:196 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. Koran, 5:51'

    Yes, Islam fundamentally is not a friend of Christianity.

    Thanks to 'The Jeff.'

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  26. I witnessed to a senior last night that I reason is a Christian woman in a Church of God cult (Armstrong). I realize there are many different churches called Church of God, and not all are cults. I hope and pray the literature I gave her (photocopies) will have major influence.

    WWCOG

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  27. LEARN YOUR QUR'AN

    Lesson 1

    Qur'an (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to these verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution" (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah." The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.

    Qur'an (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

    Qur'an (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.

    Qur'an (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

    Qur'an (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

    Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

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  28. LEARN YOUR QUR'AN

    Lesson 2

    Qur'an (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

    Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

    Qur'an (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage not only criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, but it also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Qur'an, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad).

    Qur'an (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Pursuing an injured and retreating enemy is not an act of self-defense.

    Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

    Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

    Qur'an (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

    Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" From the historical context we know that the "persecution" spoken of here was simply the refusal by the Meccans to allow Muhammad to enter their city and perform the Haj. Other Muslims were able to travel there, just not as an armed group, since Muhammad declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah."

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  29. LEARN YOUR QUR'AN

    Lesson 3

    Qur'an (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

    Qur'an (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

    Qur'an (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.

    Qur'an (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

    Qur'an (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.

    Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths. ['Jizya' is a tax that non-Muslims have to pay]

    Qur'an (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

    Qur'an (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

    Qur'an (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

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  30. LEARN YOUR QUR'AN

    Lesson 4

    Qur'an (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

    Qur'an (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."

    Qur'an (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

    Qur'an (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

    Qur'an (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

    Qur'an (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur'an)." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse. [When Muhammad was in Mecca, he preached a peaceful religion, so the Meccan verses reflect this. When he was kicked out of Mecca for preaching false teachings, he went to Medina and began using jihad and terrorism, and the Medina verses reflect this. That is why it is so significant that even this Meccan verse is not peaceful.]

    Qur'an (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners," ['smite the necks' = behead]

    Qur'an (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

    Qur'an (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?

    Qur'an (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.

    Qur'an (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of Peace, indeed!

    Qur'an (61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity." This verse was given in battle. It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

    Qur'an (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

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  31. THE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO ISLAM

    Part 1

    From the Hadith:

    [HADITH: narrations originating from the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith are regarded by traditional schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Quran and in matters jurisprudence. They were then evaluated and gathered into large collections mostly during the reign of Umar bin Abdul Aziz during the 8th and 9th centuries. These works are referred to in matters of Islamic law and history to this day.]

    Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." [Imams often quote this verse when they are preaching hatred against Jews, and even certain children's TV programs in the Middle East have used this verse to teach little children to hate and kill Jews.]

    Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

    Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror.'

    Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist).

    Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious.

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  32. Part 2

    Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

    Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.'"

    Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."

    Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

    Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.'"

    Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

    Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

    Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

    Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

    Ibn Ishaq: 990 - Lest anyone think that cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern custom, here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to approve.

    Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions to his men prior to a military raid.

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  33. 'Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths. ['Jizya' is a tax that non-Muslims have to pay]'

    'Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.'

    'Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions to his men prior to a military raid.'

    In contrast, Matthew 22 and Mark 12:

    Matthew 22:

    34(Z)But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced (AA)the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together.

    35 One of them, [a](AB)a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him,

    36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"

    37 And He said to him, " '(AC)YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'

    38 "This is the great and foremost commandment.

    39 "The second is like it, '(AD)YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'

    40 "(AE)On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

    Mark 12:

    28 (Q)One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and (R)recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?"

    29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, '(S)HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

    30 (T)AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.'

    31 "The second is this, '(U)YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

    32 The scribe said to Him, "Right, Teacher; You have truly stated that (V)HE IS ONE, AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM;

    33 (W)AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, (X)is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

    34 When Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." (Y)After that, no one would venture to ask Him any more questions.

    Thanks, Jeff

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  34. BTW, Russ, excellent comparison of the Qur'an and Hadith to the Bible, regarding love.

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  35. Sorry to bombard the comment sections of your blogs with the subject of Islam, Russ, but I sincerely believe that the spread of Islam and Shari'a law is the most serious and dangerous threat to Western civilization today.

    I wish our society would give the same focus to the threat of Islamization of the West that it gives to the hoax of global warming.

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  36. I had not realized it had progressed this fast, and had advanced to this stage!
    If England falls, the U.S. will soon fall after it! This is scary! Persecution against
    Christians may come far sooner than I realized! We are at war, and we are LOSING! And it may be too late to do anything about it!

    NOW MUSLIMS DEMAND FULL SHARIA LAW

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  37. New tool coming for the Catholic emerging church:
    Mass We Pray

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  38. SEND RIFQA BARY A CHRISTMAS CARD

    She is in Ohio. She is 17 years old. She is under house arrest. No visitors allowed. The few visitors they did let pass through had to be fingerprinted. Her laptop has been confiscated. She is not allowed Internet access. Even clergy are not allowed to visit her; even inmates are allowed to have clergy visits!! Her crime? Becoming a Christian. Persecution against Christians exists in America!

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  39. I am in Phoenix, thanks to Jeff and Chucky.:)

    Chucky and I sent you to Phoenix?

    (j/k) ;)

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  40. Russ,

    Cash through the mail is dangerous. Please send me your bank account number and I'll do a direct deposit. To make things faster, send your credit card number as well, along with expiration date the verification code on the back.
    Also, a rich relative just died, and...good news! I can send you half of the several million dollars they left to me. All I need is your bank account number and credit card info.

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  41. OK, more Muslim material. This time, in relation to the famous Malcolm X.

    Malcolm X (El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz) publicly challenged the deviating teachings of the Nation of Islam and called for a return to Islam proper. He was a man who indicted white America in the harshest terms for its crimes against black Americans. Malcolm came to believe that Islam could be the means by which racial problems could be overcome. His detractors accused him of preaching racism, black supremacy, and violence.

    However, what he apparently never addressed was the fact that, in Islam, women are considered 2nd class citizens, and are required to wear the burqa/hijab. In the Qur'an, women are shown as being equivalent to a black dog or a donkey. And non-Muslims (kafirs) can be tortured, beaten, made into slaves or dhimmi (semi-slaves), or even killed, and all of this is within Islam.

    In 1946, Malcolm X was sentenced to eight to ten years in prison. While in prison, Malcolm X became a member of the Nation of Islam. (Islamic expansion methods include evangelizing (da'wa) in jails and prisons. Many are converted to Islam in this way.) For nearly a dozen years, he was the public face of the Nation of Islam. After leaving the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X became a Sunni Muslim and made a pilgrimage to Mecca, after which he disavowed racism.

    In September 1960, Fidel Castro arrived in New York to attend the meeting of the United Nations General Assembly. He and his entourage stayed at the Hotel Theresa in Harlem. Malcolm X was a prominent member of a Harlem-based welcoming committee made up of community leaders who met with Castro. Castro was so impressed by Malcolm X that he requested a private meeting with him.

    On March 8, 1964, Malcolm X publicly announced his break from the Nation of Islam. One reason for the separation was growing tension between Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad because of Malcolm X's dismay about rumors of Muhammad's extramarital affairs with young secretaries. Such actions were against the teachings of the Nation. Another reason was resentment by people within the Nation. As Malcolm X had become a favorite of the media, and many in the Nation's Chicago headquarters felt that he was over-shadowing Muhammad. Several Sunni Muslims encouraged Malcolm X to learn about Islam. Soon he converted to Sunni Islam, and decided to make his pilgrimage to Mecca (hajj).

    On April 13, 1964, Malcolm X departed JFK Airport in New York for Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. His status as an authentic Muslim was questioned by Saudi authorities because of his United States passport and his inability to speak Arabic. Since only confessing Muslims are allowed into Mecca, he was separated from his group for about 20 hours. He called Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam's son, who arranged for his release.

    Talmadge Hayer, a Black Muslim also known as Thomas Hagan, as well as Norman 3X Butler and Thomas 15X Johnson, also members of the Nation of Islam, were convicted for Malcolm's murder.

    Butler, now known as Muhammad Abdul Aziz, was paroled in 1985. He became the head of the Nation of Islam's Harlem mosque in New York in 1998. He continues to maintain his innocence. Johnson, now known as Khalil Islam, was released from prison in 1987. During his time in prison, he rejected the teachings of the Nation of Islam and converted to Sunni Islam. He, too, maintains his innocence. Hayer, now known as Mujahid Halim, was paroled in 1993.

    (Most of the above information is from Wikipedia)

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  42. Mighty interesting conversation between Jeff and you

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  43. Russ, your new photo makes you look like the Kingpin more than ever!

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