Sunday, May 18, 2008

Einstein was an atheist? Who cares


Benbulbin, Northern Ireland (photo from trekearth.com)

From

http://www.some-guy.com/quotes/stupid.html

'The word 'genius' isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.'--Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback & sports analyst.

http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2008/05/einstein_god is_human_weakness.html

Einstein: ‘god is human weakness’ - May 14, 2008

Einstein’s often-debated views on religion look to have been made clearer by a document up for auction tomorrow.

“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish,” he writes in the 1954 letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind.

Bloomsbury Auctions, which is selling the letter, expects it to go for between £6000 and £8000 (press release). If you don’t have that much spare change, you can always read Einstein’s 1940 Nature article ‘Science and Religion’ (subscription required).

In that piece he notes:

During the youthful period of mankind’s spiritual evolution, human fantasy created gods in man’s own image, who, by the operations of their will, were supposed to determine, or at any rate to influence, the phenomenal world. ... The idea of God in the religions taught at present is a sublimation of that old conception of the gods.

The Guardian has more extracts of the letter than the press release, and its coverage quotes John Brooke of Oxford University thus:

Like other great scientists he does not fit the boxes in which popular polemicists like to pigeonhole him. It is clear for example that he had respect for the religious values enshrined within Judaic and Christian traditions ... but what he understood by religion was something far more subtle than what is usually meant by the word in popular discussion.

Are we the only people who expect Richard Dawkins to bid?


A brilliant scientist that one can learn from does not necessarily make a brilliant philosopher or theologian to learn from. Academic religious education is another complex discipline on its own. Atheism versus Christianity is a discussion where scientists on both sides can agree on actual empirical science and disagree on issues concerning theology and first cause.

A strictly empirical philosophical approach to life can rule out God from being a possible consideration. This is where divine revelation/theology and philosophy of religion come into play.

Science finds empirical truth and is extremely valuable, but science cannot provide information concerning the deepest purposes of life and why a first cause would create human beings. This must be revealed by an infinite, eternal, first cause. A common mistake made by some today is to make science the ultimate source for knowledge, and science has limitations as do all other important academic disciplines, which add to human knowledge.

The problem of evil and theodicy is an issue that arises in the discussion between Christians and critics:

Without the philosophical concept of God existing and delivering humanity from sin, death, and evil, there is no reasonable ultimate purpose for human beings other than to non-exist (death). Human relative goodness is simply a lack of maximization of evil. God willingly allows the problem of evil and human nature and the resulting choices fuel it. This is a reason why with all the human progress in knowledge, including scientific knowledge, over the millennia, persons are as capable as ever of committing much evil. Only God can change the nature of persons and in Christ there is a plan for this with the atoning work, resurrection and culminated Kingdom.

Science and Religion:

For scientists a key issue is that they must have autonomy and science cannot be subjected to some external authority on what has to be believed. Science cannot as well be subjected to the idea of God which cannot be subjected to normal scientific scrutiny. Habgood (1999: 526).

Science should not be subjected to outside rules which govern inquiry and results. The immaterial God of spirit cannot be discovered scientifically. God does not consist of matter, and is not made up of measurable energy which makes matter work.

From:

http://www.ftexploring.com/energy/definition.html

Energy is a property or characteristic (or trait or aspect?) of matter that makes things happen, or, in the case of stored or potential energy, has the "potential" to make things happen.

Scientism:

A pejorative term for the concept that only the methods of natural science and related categories form the elements for any philosophical or other enquiry. Blackburn (1996: 344).

Theodicy:

The aspect of theology concerned with defending God and his goodness and omnipotence, in a world where suffering and evil exist. Blackburn (1996: 375).

Robert M. Adams notes that the word theodicy is from the Greek, as theos is God and dike is justice. Theodicy is a defence of the justice of God in the face of objections arising from the problem of evil in the world. Adams (1996: 794).

ADAMS, ROBERT. M (1996) ‘Theodicy’, in Robert Audi (ed.), The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press.

BLACKBURN, SIMON (1996) Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, Oxford, Oxford University Press.

HABGOOD, JOHN (1999) ‘Science and Religion’, in Alan Richardson and John Bowden (eds.), A New Dictionary of Christian Theology, Kent, SCM Press Ltd.


Eagle vs. Swan (thanks Mom)

This scene reminds me of a 1970s Marvel Comics type cover where two superheroes battle.


I received these two kittens for free for some reason. I am not sure if they come from same litter. The one on the left sure eats a lot.

20 comments:

  1. The letter sold for 170,000 pounds! And not to Dawkins.
    Telegraph article

    People have a weird tendency to ascribe those who are considered geniuses in one area, authority in another area in which they have very little knowledge or experience.

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  2. I'm sure Dr. Norman Einstein must have been pleased to hear that Joe Theismann regards him as a genius...

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  3. Thanks, Chuck.

    People have a weird tendency to ascribe those who are considered geniuses in one area, authority in another area in which they have very little knowledge or experience.

    Yes, Chucky, this is an intellectual mistake.

    Good research, Sir Chucklins.

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  4. From:

    Dawkins

    Biologist Professor Richard Dawkins has revealed he was one of the bidders who lost out in an auction for a letter by Albert Einstein.

    Dawkins, a renowned atheist, had hoped to buy the note in which the physicist describes religious beliefs as "childish superstitions".

    However, it sold for £170,000, which Dawkins admitted was considerably more than he was prepared to pay.

    He said: "In a way, I'm delighted that such a thing should be so highly valued.

    "This letter was about something very important to Einstein, I suspect."

    He said if he had been successful, he would have given the letter to his foundation for reason and science.

    The note was written in German to the philosopher Eric Gutkind on January 3, 1954.

    The physicist wrote: "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

    He went on to scorn the Jewish idea that they were a chosen people.

    The letter was sold on Thursday at Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair, London, where extra phone lines had to be installed to cope with interest from around the world.

    It was sold for £170,000, with an extra £37,600 in fees, to an anonymous private collector.

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  5. Hi,

    Nice shots. The second photo is really good.

    :-)
    Meditation

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  6. Thanks very much.

    Your site is interesting with the automatic audio advertisements.

    Heather Wilson for the US Senate; if I was an American I would vote Republican most of the time.

    Russ:)

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  7. In some ways, history is kind of cyclical. When the Enlightenment began, people looked to science for all the answers. Science then, of course, was only in its infant stages. As it progressively got more advanced and could provide more answers, people began to see that there was like this split curve. As it provided more answers, it also provided less answers, like you said, to the questions of the deeper purposes and meaning of life.

    Ultimately, faith began to wane in science, and that is why we are beginning to see a cultural shift occurring here in the West. I think that is also why some of those who are the most outspoken and confrontational towards Christians are those who have put all their faith in science. I think that, while they place their trust in science, it doesn't deliver all their answers and so they are searching for something more and they are bothered by those who have answers to those questions, even if they have to be accepted on faith and cannot be rationally or logically proven.

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  8. Thanks, you provide an excellent short historical analysis Jake.

    Those who hold that empiricism and science provide the ultimate answer to all questions operate under faith as well. They seemingly place faith in energy/matter as its own cause, whereas Christian theists see energy/matter as finite, requiring a non-material first cause beyond time and space.

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  9. This email just arrived:

    Dear Prof.

    I am Kevaughn Mattis, Trinidad West Indies

    I am in the Process of making an online Journal (Testamentum Imperium) whose 2011 theme will be: Constructing a Practical Theology on the Doctrine of the Irrevocable Nature of Salvation

    The aim of the journal is to teach the irrevocable nature of salvation in a scholarly way with an irenic spirit.

    The 2007 journal theme was The Affirmation: http://www.preciousheart.net/ti/2007/index.htm

    The 2009 theme will be Divine Sovereignty in Reformed Theology: http://www.preciousheart.net/ti/2009/index.htm

    Would you or an esteemed colleague be able to do the article:

    Systematic Theology: Divine Grace, Human Will, and Sin's Power: Can God’s Promises Assure us of Final Salvation in the face of Sin's Power to Weaken the Human Will

    The deadline for article submission is March 21st, 2011

    Sincerely,
    Kevaughn


    Thanks, but I have too much to do between now and 2011. But I can post this in thekingpin68 blog comments and perhaps someone will be interested. I am finishing up a PhD, and will be looking for related work, and as well will be seeking jaw surgery for sleep apnea.

    Please feel free to examine my thekingpin68 articles/archives as I have written on theodicy and free will/determinism.

    Cheers, Kevaughn

    Russ Murray

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  10. "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew but I am enthralled by the religious figure of the Nazarene... No one can read the gospels with out feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates with every word. No myth is filled with such life."
    -Albert Einstein-
    It seems that Einstein has said some interesting comments on Christianity and Jesus throughout his life...Perhaps his true beliefs will never be fully known.
    -E=something squarish-

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  11. "I can help your hairstyle Mr. Einstein!
    -Albert(o)VO5-

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  12. Thanks, Anon. Here are some pasted definitions:

    Mass-energy

    In physics, mass–energy equivalence is the concept that any mass has an associated energy and vice versa. In special relativity this relationship is expressed using the mass–energy equivalence formula

    where

    E = energy,
    m = mass,
    c = the speed of light in a vacuum (celeritas),
    and the superscript 2 indicates the squaring of c.


    Celebrating Einstein

    By far, Einstein's best-known equation is "E=mc2 - energy equals mass times the velocity of light squared." According to this equation, any given amount of mass is equivalent to a certain amount of energy, and vice versa.

    Mass

    Definition: Mass is the quantity of inertia possessed by an object or the proportion between force and acceleration referred to in Newton's Second Law of Motion.

    This is not a very good operational definition of mass, of course. In most common instances, mass is determined by weighing the object and using the force of gravity to calculate the value automatically - which is why you can get on a scale and have read your mass.

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  13. So I guess Einstein could have told you how much speed you would need to generate to break a board with your fist, or to break a bone with a kick.

    Russ, you said:
    Those who hold that empiricism and science provide the ultimate answer to all questions operate under faith as well. They seemingly place faith in energy/matter as its own cause, whereas Christian theists see energy/matter as finite, requiring a non-material first cause beyond time and space.

    That is going into my list of quotes by you, under the "On Creation vs. Evolution" section. If I use any of them online, I will of course credit you.

    From the photo:
    I received these two kittens for free for some reason. I am not sure if they come from same litter. The one on the left sure eats a lot.

    LOL!!

    Oh, and the eagle and swan look like they may have been put together using Photoshop or something; nevertheless, it is a very interesting picture. Reminds me of the "Hawk and Dove" superheroes.

    Maybe you should have told Kevaughn that you would charge a certain amount to do such an article. I know a lady who writes articles for other people's blog sites for money. But then, as you said, you are already very busy.

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  14. Thanks, Jeff.

    Your comment makes me think, and it is a honour to have my quotes kept.

    I need to start making money off all this writing.

    Russ;)

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  15. Famous Last Words
    (the last words they uttered before they died)

    Sir Thomas Scott, once president of the English Lower House said: "Up until this time, I thought that there was no God neither Hell. Now I know and feel that there are both, and I am delivered to perdition by the righteous judgment of the Almighty."

    Voltaire, the famous skeptic, died a terrible death. His nurse said: "For all the money in Europe I wouldn’t want to see another unbeliever die! All night long he cried for forgiveness."

    David Hume, the Atheist, cried: "I am in flames!" His desperation was a horrible scene.

    In contrast:

    John Newton b. 1725. d. 1807.
    Originally a slaver, he had a dramatic mid-ocean change of heart that led him to turn his slave ship around and take the people back to their homeland. He became a Presbyterian minister and preached against the slave-trade, inspiring William Wilberforce who brought about the abolition of slavery in Britain and its colonies. He is most famous for having authored the words to the hymn "Amazing Grace".
    As he neared his end, exclaimed, "I am still in the land of the dying; I shall be in the land of the living soon."

    A Chinese Communist, who delivered many Christians to their execution, came to a pastor and said: "I’ve seen many of you die. The Christians die differently. What is their secret?"

    from:
    http://users.belgacom.net/gc674645/grave/lastword.htm

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  16. David Hume, the Atheist, cried: "I am in flames!" His desperation was a horrible scene.

    I wonder how well documented that quote happens to be. If is true that is a fascinating comment.

    Thanks, Jeff.

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  17. Hi Russ.
    Enjoyed this article very much. Personally I think science is a form of selfishness. Sort of like, "we are smart and have all the answers."

    Science is supposed to be scientific but much of what is discovered is done by good old experimentation and that requires a lot of "faith".

    Science did not change my heart all that much but Jesus did and I'm very happy about that.

    Catch you soon Russ.
    I'm catching up on all the articles I've missed.
    Russell.

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  18. Science is supposed to be scientific but much of what is discovered is done by good old experimentation and that requires a lot of "faith".

    Yes, as in scientific philosophy that is not proven empirical science.

    Catch you soon Russ.
    I'm catching up on all the articles I've missed.
    Russell.


    Cheers, it is excellent to have you back.

    Russ:)

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  19. I wonder how well documented that quote happens to be.

    Well, in using similar quotes in discussions with Atheists and other unbelievers, they have often balked at the suggestion that those quotes were authentic. Of course, they are naturally biased, because if such quotes are factual, then they might undermine the belief that there is no God and no Hell. Further research might be in order to substantiate the authenticity of such quotes...however, no matter how much research was done, I suspect that Atheists and others would likely still refuse to believe those words were actually said by such persons.

    I need to start making money off all this writing.

    Here's an article that might be of some interest:
    "The 5 Biggest Six-Figure Profit Secrets Most Bloggers Don't Even Know!"

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  20. I suspect that Atheists and others would likely still refuse to believe those words were actually said by such persons.

    This will often be the case, I reason.

    4. "After extensive tests I've seen huge differences in blogs that are kept up to date against others that don't get new (or very few) posts. You don't have to post every day or even every week, but make sure you don't just set them up and forget about them because they will die off."

    Cheers.:)

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