Sunday, August 24, 2008

Secular Christianity


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I have posted these two pages from religionfacts.com previously on satire and theology. But, I have a few more readers now and I plan on interacting slightly more with the material.

I like providing some articles primarily for the purposes of historical information. It reacquaints me with some data which I have not dealt with in awhile, which I need, as I am dealing with a lot of Biblical, theological, and philosophical material and need to refresh my mind with much of it at times. Also, I think it is generally very good information for my readers.

I should note I would rather use the scholarly material of a honest liberal secularist than a Christian that is blinded by agenda and not objective. Most of the scholars I quote are likely Biblical Christians, but I quote liberal scholars that provide beneficial information.

I will discuss one item on the list, but there others we could discuss in comments:

1822 Schleiermacher writes Christian Faith

I had to write about Friedrich Schleiermacher within my PhD.

Friedrich Schleiermacher (1768-1834) writes in his work of systematic theology, The Christian Faith that God’s original perfect creation was based on the environment being made suitable for human beings to have self-consciousness. Schleiermacher (1821)(1976: 234). The human experience of God-consciousness and self-consciousness are fulfilled through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, and the related religious emotions. Schleiermacher (1821)(1976: 76). For Schleiermacher, Christian theology is not a systemization of revelation of God but rather a coherent understanding of Christian religious experience related to the redemptive work of Christ. Schleiermacher (1821)(1976: 125).

From a Biblical Christian worldview, God through prophets, apostles, and scribes, and Christ himself, revealed the Scriptures and God's plans for humanity, with the gospel message being the central focus.

Religious experience is an aspect of the Christian life.


As experiences are evaluated through Scripture, one can have a reasonable idea that his or her religious experience is of the Holy Spirit, and not of primarily human origin and even possibly from the influence of demonic spirits.

There is Biblical theology. Christian Scriptural revelation and Biblical theology can be systematized for understanding. Systematic theology when done properly, is therefore accurate theology.

In On Religion, Schleiermacher expresses the belief that dogma is not part of religion but arises out of religion. Schleiermacher in Kedourie (1799)(1961: 26). Religion is essentially intuitive and consists of the experience of feeling. Schleiermacher in Kedourie (1799)(1961: 26).

One that states that there is no room for dogma in religion, it at risk of casting out one type of dogma, some of it perhaps Biblical, and replacing it with philosophical and theological theories and new dogma, perhaps more popular within a time period.

This is a way of avoiding the truth of the word of God.

Biblical doctrine is not essentially and primarily intuitive, but requires God to guide persons through the Holy Spirit to understand the Bible and doctrines correctly.

He writes that Christian theology was not dictated by a direct human encounter with God but by concepts of religious experience. Schleiermacher (1821)(1976: 125). Schleiermacher understands original human perfection as not primarily a condition, but rather the ability through both good and evil experiences to have the consciousness of God stimulating and influencing humanity. God would draw all humanity to himself through an awareness of God-consciousness. Schleiermacher (1821)(1976: 303). He rejects the concept of hell because he postulates that those living in heavenly bliss could not do so in good conscience without sympathy for those in hell. This makes the universal efficacy of Christ’s redemptive work more likely, because hell would have to be nonexistent for heaven to truly be a place of peace and happiness. Schleiermacher (1821)(1976: 721).

John Ankerberg and John Weldon explain is the theological idea that salvation is universal and therefore as a result each person will eventually be redeemed in heaven in God’s presence. Ankerberg and Weldon (1999: 503). John Kreeft and Ronald Tacelli explain that universalism is universal salvation and has been considered by some well known orthodox Christians over the centuries as a viable alternative to hell, although Kreeft and Tacelli reject this concept. Kreeft and Tacelli (1994: 286). D.B. Eller writes that universalism affirms the idea that eventually all souls will be released from penalties of sin and restored to God. Eller (1996: 1128).

In Matthew 7:13-14, Jesus uses an illustration relating to the ultimate destiny of individuals and explains that few persons enter by the narrow gate, and the wide and broad way of destruction is found by many. William Barclay points out, that Luke 13:24 is presenting a similar idea which may have come from the same original source, but reached the author of Luke from a different tradition. Barclay (1975: 97). In Luke, Jesus explains that many will strive to enter by the narrow gate, but shall not be able to. Barclay (1975: 97).

Laurence E. Porter describes a scenario in Luke 13:24-28 where some religious persons are rejected by God. Porter (1986: 1211). Jesus did not accept the theology that a sincere religious devotion alone would lead one to God’s presence in the culminated Kingdom of God. Let me point out that everlasting existence apart from God is absolutely and positively, not my hope for any individual person, but my theological findings are driven by research and not sentiment. I see no good reason to believe that human beings that have rejected the Biblical God throughout their lives with a corrupt nature and the resulting sinful thoughts and actions would ever in post-mortem existence come to Christ, unless guided by God to do so. Biblically, there appears to be no salvation for those outside of Christ upon death.

Hebrews 9:27, from the New American Standard Bible states:

As inasmuch as it is appointed for man to die once and after this comes judgment.

Persons suffer in hell.

Saints do not suffer in the Kingdom of Heaven/God.

As resurrected saints, we will have an understanding and acceptance of God's justice and human rebellion against God, that I reason will enable us to see hell as just even while we live in the culminated Kingdom by God's grace as we are guided and filled by the Holy Spirit.

ANKERBERG, JOHN AND JOHN WELDON (1999) Encyclopedia of Cults and New Religions, Eugene, Oregon, Harvest House Publishers.

BARCLAY, WILLIAM (1975) Introduction to the First Three Gospels, Philadelphia, The Westminster Press.

ELLER, D.B. (1996) ‘Universalism’, in Walter A. Elwell (ed.), Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Books.

KREEFT, PETER and RONALD K. TACELLI (1994) Handbook of Christian Apologetics, Downers Grove, Illinois, InterVarsity Press.

PORTER, LAURENCE.E. (1986) ‘Luke’, in F.F. Bruce (gen.ed.), The International Bible Commentary, Grand Rapids, Marshall Pickering/ Zondervan.

SCHLEIERMACHER, FRIEDRICH (1799)(1961) On Religion, in Elie Kedourie, Nationalism, New York, Praeger University Series.

SCHLEIERMACHER, FRIEDRICH (1821)(1976) The Christian Faith, Edited by H.R. Mackintosh and J.S. Stewart, Philadelphia, Fortress Press.

Timeline of Christianity

The following timeline of Christianity summarizes some of the most important events in Christianity since its founding about 2,000 years ago. (Events in light grey are non-religious events included for historical context.)

c. 4 BC Birth of Jesus
c. 26 AD John the Baptist begins ministry
c. 27 AD Jesus begins ministry
c. 30 AD Crucifixion of Jesus
c. 35 Conversion of Paul
c. 44 Martyrdom of James
c. 46-48 Paul's first missionary journey
c. 49 Council of Jerusalem
c. 50-52 Paul's second missionary journey
c. 51-52 First and Second Thessalonians written
c. 53-57 Paul's third missionary journey
c. 57 Letter to the Romans written
c. 59-62 Paul imprisoned in Rome
c. 60 Andrew martyred by crucifixion in Achaia (Greece).
c. 66-67 Second Timothy written
c. 68 Martyrdom of Paul
70 Fall of Jerusalem
c. 90-95 John exiled on island of Patmos
c. 95 Book of Revelation written
c. 96 Clement of Rome's Letter to the Corinthians written
c. 120 Didache written
202 Christians persecuted under Septimus Severus
211 Christians tolerated under Emperor Antoninus Caracalla
222 Christians favored Emperor Alexander Severus
230 Origen's On First Principles
235 Christians persecuted under Emperor Maximin the Thracian
238 Christians tolerated under Emperor Gordian III
244 Christians favored under Emperor Philip the Arabian
251 Cyprian's Unity of the Catholic Church
254 Death of Origen
303 Diocletian orders burning of Christian books and churches
312 Emperor Constantine's conversion to Christianity
313 Edict of Milan establishes official toleration of Christianity
325 Council of Nicea
336 Death of Constantine
354 Birth of Augustine

367 Athanasius lists all 27 books of NT

379 Basil the Great dies
380 Christianity made official religion of Roman Empire
381 Council of Constantinople
386 Augustine converts to Christianity

389 Gregory of Nazianzus dies
395 Gregory of Nyssa dies
c. 400 Jerome's Vulgate (translation of the Greek Bible into Latin)
407 John Chrysostom dies
411 Council of Carthage condemns Donatists
417 Pope Innocent I condemns Pelagianism

420 Death of Jerome
430 Death of Augustine

431 Council of Ephesus
451 Council of Chalcedon
787 Second Council of Nicea
950 Olga of Russia converts to Christianity
1054 Great Schism between East and West
1093 Anselm becomes Archbishop of Canterbury
1095 Council of Clermont: Pope Urban II proclaims First Crusade
1098 Crusaders take Antioch from Turks
1099 Crusaders recapture Jerusalem from Turks
1122 Concordat of Worms
1141 Peter Abelard condemned

1144 Fall of Edessa (crusader state)
1187 Fall of Jerusalem to Turks
1215 Fourth Lateran Council
1309 "Babylonian Captivity" (until 1377)
1337 Hundred Years' War (until 1453)
1378 Great Western Schism (until 1423)
1409 Council of Pisa
1413-14 Lollard rebellion
1415 Council of Constance. Martyrdom of Jan Hus.
1420 Crusade against Hussites
1431 Joan of Arc martyred
1431-49 Council of Basel
1438-45 Council of Ferrara-Florence
1453 Fall of Constantinople to Turks
1478 Spanish Inquisition founded by Ferdinand and Isabella
1483 Birth of Martin Luther

1492 Expulsion of Jews from Spain by Ferdinand and Isabella
1505 Luther becomes a monk
1517 Luther posts 95 Theses
1521 Luther excommunicated
1530 Augsburg Confession
1534 Henry VIII's Act of Supremacy
1536 Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion
1541 Colloquy of Regensburg
1555 Peace of Augsburg
1559 Elizabeth I's Act of Uniformity
1590 Michelangelo completes the dome of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome
1609 Baptist Church founded by John Smyth
1611 King James (Authorized) Version of the Bible produced
1729 Beginnings of Methodism, led by John Wesley
1738 John Wesley feels his "heart strangely warmed" during a reading of Luther's preface to Romans on Aldersgate Street in London
1775 American Wars of Independence begin
1783 America wins independence from Britain
1793 Louis XVI executed
1797 Second Awakening begins
1798 Pope Pius VI is prisoner of France
1799 Schleiermacher writes Speeches
1801 Cane Ridge Revival
1804 Napoleon becomes emperor
1807 Hegel writes Phenomenology of the Spirit
1808 French occupy Rome
1810 Mexico wins independence
1812-14 British-American War
1814 Reorganization of the Jesuits
1816 American Bible Society established
1822 Schleiermacher writes Christian Faith
1826 American Society for the Promotion of Temperance founded
1830 Joseph Smith produces Book of Mormon
1834 Spanish Inquisition officially abolished
1838 Abolition of slavery in the British Caribbean
1841 David Livingstone to Africa
1845 Methodists and Baptists split over the issue of slavery
1846 Pope Pius IX (until 1878)
1854 Dogma of Immaculate Conception of Mary
1859 Darwin publishes Origin of the Species
1861-65 American Civil War
1861 Presbyterians divide over the issue of slavery
1869 First Vatican Council
1870 Dogma of Papal Infallibility
1872 Moody begins preaching
1875 Mary Baker Eddy writes Science and Health
1882 Neitzsche declares "God is dead"
1895 Five Fundamentals
1900 Freud's Interpretation of Dreams
1906 Azusa Street revival
1908 Henry Ford introduces the Model T
1910 World Missionary Conference, Edinburgh
1914 Assemblies of God founded
1914-18 World War I
1917 Russian Revolution
1919 Prohibition passed into law
1925 Scopes "Monkey" trial
1932 Barth's Church Dogmatics
1939 Hitler invades Poland and sparks WWI
1945 Nag Hammadi Library discovered in Egypt;
US drops atomic bombs on Japan
1947 India wins independence from U.K.
1948 World Council of Churches founded
1950 Papal encyclical Humani generis
1956 First issue of Christianity Today
1960 Birth control pill approved by FDA
1961 First human in space
Papal encyclical Mater et Magistra
1962-65 Second Vatican Council
1963 MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech
1968 Papal encyclical Humanae vitae
1969 First man on the moon
1971 Intel introduces the microprocessor
1973 Roe vs. Wade
1987-88 Televangelist scandals
1989 First woman ordained in an apostolic-succession church (the Protestant Episcopal church). Fall of the Berlin Wall.
1997 Birth of the internet

Sources
1. Earle E. Cairns, Christianity Through the Centuries (Zondervan, 1996).
2. Justo Gonzalez, The Story of Christianity (Prince Press, 1999).
3. Kenneth Scott Latourette, A History of Christianity, Vol. I: to A.D. 1500 (4th ed., Prince Press, 2000).
4. Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service, 2004.
« Glossary of Christianity

Timeline of Christianity Christian History »

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/timeline.htm

Fast Facts on Christianity

This section provides basic facts on Christianity in a quick, at-a-glance format. Here you can get a general sense of the Christian faith before exploring it in greater depth, get the basics in order to compare Christianity to other religions, study for a test on Christianity, play a Christian trivia game, or just learn something new.

Date founded:
c. 33 AD
Place founded:
Palestine
Founder:
Jesus of Nazareth, a Jewish carpenter
Adherents:
2 billion {1}
US adherents:
159 million in 2001 {2}
UK adherents:
51 million in 1997 {3}
Size rank:
largest world religion
Main location:
Europe
North America
South America
Major sects (denominations):
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant
Sacred texts:
The Bible, comprised of the Old Testament and New Testament
Original languages:
Aramaic, Greek, Latin
Religious professionals:
Priest; bishop; archbishop; patriarch; pope; pastor; minister; preacher; deacon
House of worship:
Church, chapel, cathedral, basilica, meeting hall
Type of theism:
Trinitarian Monotheism
Ultimate reality:
One God (a Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
Human nature:
Created good but now born sinful
Purpose of life:
Know, love and serve God
How to live:
Have faith in the true God and Christ's resurrection, do good works, participate in sacraments
Afterlife:
Resurrection of body and soul, purgatory (Catholic and Orthodox), and eternal heaven or hell
Symbols:
Cross, dove, anchor, fish, alpha and omega, chi rho
Major holidays:
Advent (Nov. 30 - Dec. 24)
Christmas (Dec. 25)
Epiphany (Jan. 6)
Lent (40-day period prior to Easter)
Good Friday (last Friday before Easter)
Easter (date varies)
All Saint's Day (Nov. 1)
Books of the New Testament :
Gospel of Matthew
Gospel of Mark
Gospel of Luke
Gospel of John
Acts of the Apostles
Romans
1 Corinthians
2 Corinthians
Galatians Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
1 Thessalonians
2 Thessalonians
1 Timothy
2 Timothy
Titus
Philemon Hebrews
James
1 Peter
2 Peter
1 John
2 John
3 John
Jude
Revelation
Two Greatest Commandments
1. Love God with your heart, soul and mind.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself. {4}
Four Last Things
1. second coming
2. judgment
3. heaven
4. hell
Seven Deadly Sins
1. pride
2. greed
3. lust
4. envy
5. gluttony
6. anger
7. sloth
Seven Ecumenical Councils
1. Council of Nicea (325 AD)
2. Council of Constantinople (381)
3. Council of Ephesus (431)
4. Council of Chalcedon (451)
5. Second Council of Constantinople (553)
6. Third Council of Constantinople (681)
7. Second Council of Nicea (787)
Twelve Apostles
1. James, son of Zebedee
2. John, son of Zebedee
3. Philip
4. Bartholomew
5. Thomas
6. Andrew (Peter's brother)
7. Simon Peter
8. Matthew the tax collector
9. James, son of Alphaeus
10. Simon the Zealot
11. Judas Iscariot
12. Thaddaeus {5}
Fourteen Stations of the Cross
1. Jesus is condemned to death
2. The cross is laid upon him
3. Jesus' first fall
4. Jesus meets Mary
5. Simon of Cyrene bears the cross
6. Veronica wipes Jesus' face
7. Jesus' second fall
8. Jesus meets the women of Jerusalem
9. Jesus' third fall
10. Jesus is stripped of his garments
11. Jesus is crucified
12. Jesus dies
13. Jesus' body is taken down
14. Jesus's body is laid in the tomb
References
1. adherents.com
2. adherents.com
3. adherents.com
4. Mark 12:28-31.
5. Matthew 10:2.




An incredible near miss from Surrey, BC.

40 comments:

  1. Hi Russ,

    I have bookmarked this particular blog posts ,as there looks some good facts listed, historical and otherwise, but its too early in the day here to raad and absorb in a good manner. I'm not likely to comment on the content, but this is good, useful stuff I think and handy to be able to refer to.

    As for the video, that dog needs to learn the meanting of etiquette! ;-)

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  2. "The human experience of God-consciousness and self-consciousness are fulfilled through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, and the related religious emotions".

    I've read some Schleiermacher in my philosophical/theological studies in the past (the waaaay past :-) and I don't remember a whole lot. I kind of enjoyed some of his ideas on the "mysticism" of our union with God in Christ. When we think about our being "in Christ" and that we've died and "our lives are hidden with Christ in God", I don't know of a better term, properly understood, than "mystic".

    But the quote that I copied above is very appealing. I realize that Schleiermacher elevated the importance of religious emotions to a dangerous level, but, as you say, "Religious experience is an aspect of the Christian life" and emotions are a part of "experience". Anyway, somewhere else in his writings he made a comment to the effect of Christianity being a monotheistic faith that is teleological (it has a design and purpose), and is distinguished from other faiths by the fact that everything in it is related to the redemption accomplished by Jesus.

    In my mind, I see Schleiermacher affirming the principle that Christ is "all in all" and that the "summing up of all things in Christ", as Paul tells us, is the essence of Christianity.

    Does this sound right? I mean...as far as what Schleiermacher contends? As I said, it has been a long time since I've read him; and even at that, I didn't read a whole lot (there were many, many other people we had to read about). But I do remember thinking that he wasn't the complete heretic that many Christians have made him out to be.

    What do you think?

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  3. I had to deal with Schleiermacher some this past semester, and I found him exceedingly frustrating to work with. He is one of those that seems to say a lot while at the same time really saying nothing at all. To reduce everything to the experiential, especially that which relates to God and the Christian faith, is "building your house on the sand," so to speak. That foundation will wash away in no time, and you are left with nothing to hold on to.

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  4. Cheers, Deejay.

    I like using these types of articles for historical reference.

    The dog is a successful troublemaker.

    Russ;)

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  5. Thanks, GGM.

    I am not an expert on Schleiermacher. I am not denying what you have quoted.

    W.A. Hoffecker calls him the father of liberal Protestant theology, or theology of religious experience. Hoffecker (1999: 981). For Schleiermacher, religious feelings had been ignored by religious rationalists as they put emphasis on knowledge and doctrines and morality and moral behavior. Hoffecker (1999: 982).

    He denied original sin and the fall, which I discussed in my PhD thesis. Human beings had both potential God-consciousness and God-forgetfulness and could not save themselves. Sin in Genesis 3 was not rebellion, but merely a shortcoming in failing to properly trust in God. Hoffecker (1999: 982). These concepts influenced John Hick and his soul-making theodicy. One can search John Hick on this blog.

    The human experience of God-consciousness and self-consciousness are fulfilled through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, and the related religious emotions. Schleiermacher (1821)(1976: 76). This concept does on the surface appear to point persons to Christ for salvation. But, as Hoffecker notes the experience of believers takes precedence over external authority, Scripture and the church. It is possible that in some cases, at least, the Christ a person is to experience through the use of the self-consciousness and God-consciousness could be different than the actual Biblical Christ.

    Some followers of this type of theology could be saved, despite the rejection of some Biblical doctrines, and others could create a false Christ in their minds that they follow.

    HOFFECKER, W.A. (1996) ‘Schleiermacher, Friedrich Daniel Ernst’, in Walter A. Elwell (ed.), Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Books.

    Russ:)

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  6. To reduce everything to the experiential, especially that which relates to God and the Christian faith, is "building your house on the sand," so to speak. That foundation will wash away in no time, and you are left with nothing to hold on to.

    Thanks Jake.

    We agree.

    For those that take such an approach they risk rejecting the Biblical God as they pick and choose which Biblical doctrines are philosophically acceptable.

    Russ:)

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  7. Yeah...after reading your comment and thumbing through some of my old textbooks and philosophy books, I realize that I'm remembering things about Schleiermacher a little differently than what I had learned. It's interesting how easy it is to misconstrue someone else's concepts and ideas when thinking back on them from a different perspective.

    Oh well, maybe I'll stick to someone a little easier to understand correctly...Kant anyone? :-)

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  8. Yes, I had to review Kant for my PhD as well, also related to John Hick. One can do a search for Kant on this blog and see my perspective.

    Thanks, GGM, you add to this blog.

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  9. Russ,

    Wow, that's a lot of information. I have copied and pasted that timeline to NotePad and saved it in My Documents for future reference.

    That Pepsi commercial is excellent. I've seen it before, but I LOVE it! I especially love how the dog sits the cat up there to take the blame! LOL!

    That 'near miss' video looks like it could possibly be faked to me. If not, that's the nearest miss I've ever seen!

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  10. Thanks, Jeff.

    It is good information. There are many possible issues to discuss from it. For example, this is considered part of Christian history.

    1830 Joseph Smith produces Book of Mormon

    I reason the Surrey near accident in real after viewing it a few times. But, I do not know for sure.

    You are welcome, GGM.

    Russ:)

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  11. For example, this is considered part of Christian history.

    1830 Joseph Smith produces Book of Mormon


    That's funny, seeing as how Joseph Smith thought all Christianity was apostate, and that the Mormons were the only true church.

    Check out these Mormons who have left the LDS Church and come to Christianity, and a video of Mormon Doctrine

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  12. Cheers, Jeff.

    Folks, please check those videos out. I have watched them previously.

    Chucky and I visited Dean and Mike tonight in Langley. On the way home in the pouring rain Chuckles and I checked out the Latter-Day Saints Vancouver Temple, in Langley at 200 Street and 82 Avenue. Chuck and I prayed that the Temple and its work would face opposition from the true gospel of Christ.

    On the positive side, I am sure it will be an architecturally interesting building.

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  13. Hi Russ.
    Good long blog mate with lots of good info. Your a mine of info, keep up the good work.
    Russell.

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  14. Folks, please check those videos out. I have watched them previously.

    Thanks, Russ.

    Years ago, I made a deal with a Mormon that if he would visit my church, I would visit his. Afterward, he said that he noticed no difference between our churches; however, I saw some wild things with his church. A girl of about 9 or 10 standing in front of the congregation, dressed very scantily, with only her chest and pelvic area covered (which shocked me), looking like a prostitute, giving 'testimony' that Joseph Smith was God's true prophet...also, a man who looked demon-possessed, suddenly looking terrified when he saw me, and then, when I did nothing, he became more calm (I suspect that he, or the demons, saw the angels around me, or the indwelling Holy Spirit, and that is what terrified him; when he saw that I wasn't going to do anything, he relaxed. That's what it seemed like at the time, anyway, but, of course, I'm only guessing as to what was actually going on spiritually.)

    At that Mormon church, people kept going forward to give oral 'testimony' that Joseph Smith was the true prophet of God. I kept praying, asking God if I should go up and give my (Christian) testimony, but it seemed that God was telling me 'no.' I suppose that, to do something like that, you should probably have a lot of prayer cover/backing from a number of Christians, because you are basically in the middle of the enemy's camp.

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  15. Hi Russ,

    Have you heard of Melissa Scott she is a Biblical Scholar in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, as well as Latin. She is an awesome teacher of the Word of God. By far one of the best teachers my husband and i have ever come across. I thought her website may be of interest to you.
    Here it is:

    http://www.pastormelissascott.com/

    Have a great week and God Bless you! Tamela

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  16. Thanks, Russell,

    I am glad I am a mine of information, as opposed to a mine that 'blows up' and hurts people with poor information.

    Russ:)

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  17. A girl of about 9 or 10 standing in front of the congregation, dressed very scantily, with only her chest and pelvic area covered (which shocked me), looking like a prostitute, giving 'testimony' that Joseph Smith was God's true prophet...

    Jeff, that is bizarre.

    a man who looked demon-possessed, suddenly looking terrified when he saw me, and then, when I did nothing, he became more calm (I suspect that he, or the demons, saw the angels around me, or the indwelling Holy Spirit, and that is what terrified him; when he saw that I wasn't going to do anything, he relaxed.

    Very interesting, Jeff.

    At that Mormon church, people kept going forward to give oral 'testimony' that Joseph Smith was the true prophet of God.

    The Bible denies polytheism (Isaiah 43, 44, 45, Revelation 22: 13), and Latter-Day Saints theology holds to what is known in philosophy, not to most Later-Day Saints, as a vicious regress, a philosophical problem which never solves itself, by holding to an infinite regression of gods begetting gods.

    There must be a first cause infinite God, and that is the only true God.

    They lack evidence for their religion from Biblical studies, theology, and philosophy, not to mention other disciplines outside of my expertise such as archaeology.

    Excellent Jeff, I will pass this on.

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  18. A girl of about 9 or 10 standing in front of the congregation, dressed very scantily, with only her chest and pelvic area covered (which shocked me), looking like a prostitute, giving 'testimony' that Joseph Smith was God's true prophet...

    Jeff, that is bizarre.

    a man who looked demon-possessed, suddenly looking terrified when he saw me, and then, when I did nothing, he became more calm (I suspect that he, or the demons, saw the angels around me, or the indwelling Holy Spirit, and that is what terrified him; when he saw that I wasn't going to do anything, he relaxed.

    Very interesting, Jeff.

    At that Mormon church, people kept going forward to give oral 'testimony' that Joseph Smith was the true prophet of God.

    The Bible denies polytheism (Isaiah 43, 44, 45, Revelation 22: 13), and Latter-Day Saints' theology holds to what is known in philosophy, not to most Later-Day Saints, as a vicious regress, a philosophical problem which never solves itself, by holding to an infinite regression of gods begetting gods.

    There must be a first cause infinite God, and that is the only true God.

    They lack evidence for their religion from Biblical studies, theology, and philosophy, not to mention other disciplines outside of my expertise such as archaeology.

    Excellent Jeff, I will pass this on.

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  19. Thanks very much, Tammy.

    I have heard of Melissa Scott from Jeff a few weeks ago. I do not know much about her ministry. Jeff was positive concerning her work.

    I did an article on her late husband below, but the You Tube video is no longer available.

    Scott

    Russ:)

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  20. I just checked 5 of Melissa Scott's videos on YouTube, and every one of them says, "Embedding disabled by request."

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  21. Yes, I suppose some do not want their video clips to be evaluated on unofficial sites, and especially blogs.

    Thanks, Jeff.

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  22. Thanks, Jeff.

    Another copy of the second clip was with my article that I linked earlier in comments, but the clip was no longer available on You Tube.

    I will add the current copy of the clip to the old article now. Thanks, Jeff.

    Scott clip now fixed, with article

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  23. That calendar should include discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, 1947.

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  24. Agreed and also:

    Manuscripts

    1881: The two most famous attempts at restoring the original text of the New Testament are the Textus Receptus, dating from the Reformation and post-Reformation era, and the Greek text of B. F. Westcott and F. J. A. Hort, first published in 1881.

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  25. TO MANY CARS TO MUCH VOLUME ON ROADS!
    Only In Surrey!
    Why can't we create "transporters" like on Star Trek and get around to our destinations that way?? Much safer, quicker, and less hassle!
    -Captain James T. Flirt-

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  26. Dear Theologian Murray,
    This is a very sobering paragraph to reflect on that you have written. Thank you, keep on writing!
    -Prudent Student-

    Jesus did not accept the theology that a sincere religious devotion alone would lead one to God’s presence in the culminated Kingdom of God. Let me point out that everlasting existence apart from God is absolutely and positively, not my hope for any individual person, but my theological findings are driven by research and not sentiment. I see no good reason to believe that human beings that have rejected the Biblical God throughout their lives with a corrupt nature and the resulting sinful thoughts and actions would ever in post-mortem existence come to Christ, unless guided by God to do so. Biblically, there appears to be no salvation for those outside of Christ upon death.

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  27. Thanks, Captain Kork.

    I heard on the Global TV News Hour that Surrey has the highest crime rate in British Columbia. Shocking.

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  28. Nice pics of Oregon's Vista House,
    I've been there!
    Great View!
    Have You????
    -World Traveler-

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  29. I appreciate your humour in your blog
    e.g. the Pepsi Commercial...Great Laugh!
    -Chuckles-
    (Not to be confused with Chucky)

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  30. Thanks, Anon.

    I try and I try and I try, and I pray and I study.

    Russ:)

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  31. I have not been to Vista House as an adult, and so if I have been there my parents took me as a small child.

    The answer is probably no.

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  32. Hey, thanks for the comments, but I have another blog, remember. This is the black and red, please check out the black and blue.

    The Pepsi commercial is very good...Smiles and Chuckles from Hawaii, when Chuck is 90, he will die.

    Russ;)

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  33. Black & red and black & blue? Sounds like two guys after a fight. Black eyes and bruises.

    Here's your Black and Red and your Black and Blue (you have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page) for you.

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  34. You should check out this guy's blog site. He has some great Christian testimonies there! Power Up Love

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  35. Thanks, Jeff.

    I had a look earlier and will leave a comment.

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  36. Are you this Funny Kingpin68? I was laughing at the first part of your post and especailly athe part where you were warning the offenders please forgive them lol

    Godbless

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  37. Hi, if you think is funny, please check out satire and theology in my links.

    Thanks!

    Russ

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