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Hans-Gunter Heimbrock provides the opinion that since religion and faith is experimental within empirical theology (which uses questionnaires and statistics), the social sciences have been used to examine social dynamics, conditions and contexts of religious life. He reasons that pastoral work has also been assisted in this process. Heimbrock (2005: 273-299). Philosophically and theologically from my Reformed perspective, I do not view Christian faith and philosophy as primarily experimental, although I can grant Heimbrock’s point that the social sciences can deal with the existing experimental aspects of religion and assist in understanding. Heimbrock (2005: 273-299). Christian doctrines can be examined through the use of questionnaires. The experimental nature of empirical theology can not only lead to a better understanding of practical theology within the Christian Church, but when applied to the problem of evil related questions in my PhD project, can help to explain how the theoretical theories of theologians and philosophers are being understood and accepted by persons that attend church.
If there are misunderstandings and disagreements between professionals and amateurs in regard to the problem of evil, for example, the empirical aspect within my PhD thesis allows for both pastoral work, and theoretical theology to be assisted by feedback from church attendees of various denominations and groups. It should be explained that in my view, and contrary to some within empirical theology, empirical findings do not establish new Christian doctrines, or potentially overturn orthodox Biblical views. Christian doctrine is determined through the use and interpretation of Scripture and should also take precedence over whether or not Biblical doctrines are accepted by persons within questionnaire results.
Professor of philosophy and religion, Karl E. Peters comments in his abstract that empirical theology is in contrast to science in that it seeks to understand the nature and source of human fulfilment, and science seeks to understand the world regardless of the implications of human welfare. Peters (1992: 297-325). Empirical theology is like science in that it affirms naturalism, accepts limitations on human knowledge, and therefore makes all religious knowledge tentative. Peters (1992: 297-325). Both scientific and religious explanations are sought for meaning in life, and a key criterion for justifying ideas is to explain experience and to focus on new research. Peters (1992: 297-325). Within my Reformed perspective there is an acknowledgement that science is dependent on the use of naturalism. Y. Krikorian explains naturalism is part of nature, contains nothing supernatural, and that the scientific method should be used to explain all aspects of reality, including those assumed to be ‘spiritual’. Krikorian (1944)(2007: 1).
C.A. Dubray writes that naturalism is not primarily a special system as much as a view held by many within philosophy and religion. It is not so much a set of positive or negative doctrines, but a general attitude, which influences many ideas. Dubray (1911)(2007: 1). Nature is viewed as the fundamental and original source for all that exists, and therefore all reality needs to be explained in terms of nature. All events find an adequate explanation within nature itself. Dubray (1911)(2007: 1).
I can accept that science must use natural and not supernatural means and is clearly often a discipline with different methods than theology or philosophy. One should not expect scientific method to be religious in nature. I disagree with Krikorian that science, which tests material matter, can or should be the method by which immaterial spiritual issues are explained. God is spirit in John 4:24, and Biblically would have existed prior to the beginning and creation of matter in Genesis 1. Many Christians of moderate positions and various traditions would disagree with the concept that nature is the fundamental and original source for all that exists, and I disagree with this position as well. James W. Sire notes that there have been theistic critics that have found fault with naturalism. Sire (1977: 74). This was based on the conviction that a personal God was behind the universe and that naturalism in itself did not provide an adequate reason why human beings were valuable. Sire (1977: 74). Human beings are unique, but so were gorillas, and there remained the problem of establishing the value of human beings within naturalism. Sire (1977: 74).
Thiessen explains that since naturalism holds that nature is the whole of reality, everything that occurs is due to the laws of nature. He comments that Scripture recognizes that existence of the laws of nature, but it is reasoned they do not operate independently of God. Thiessen (1956: 186). God concurs with the laws he has established, and Thiessen reasons that miracles and revelation can occur when God operates outside of laws he established. Thiessen (1956: 186).
With Thiessen’s concept naturalists and moderate Christians would not necessarily disagree on scientific facts, but Biblical Christians would accept a revealed supernatural source behind nature, that the naturalist would deny. Krikorian (1944)(2007: 1). It can reasoned therefore, that Christians can embrace the similarities science has with empirical theology without a necessary abandonment of the belief that God revealed himself and his plan of salvation within history. Empirical theology within practical approaches can therefore without necessary contradiction, complement philosophical, theology in the context of research concerning the problem of evil and theodicy, which concerns the justice of God within his creation which contains evil.
Am I denying that science can make progress in solving some problems, due to its experimental nature? No, science has made discoveries that have assisted humanity, and has helped persons understand many realities. My Reformed perspective deduces that human corruption cannot be entirely corrected scientifically, but human beings are changed permanently to avoid evil, only by the regenerating work of God. I reason that scientific progress has helped humanity tremendously to live better quality lives, but human beings are capable of committing as grotesque and intense evils as ever in the 21st Century. This is so, in my view, because scientific knowledge has not as of yet been able to change the essential nature of human beings. Even if science could perfect the physical nature of persons to avoid evil actions, as the Bible indicates that human beings have a spirit (Luke 16, Luke 23:43, 2 Corinthians 12:2-5) it needs to be considered if materially based science could perfect the human spirit as well to avoid all wrong actions.
This would appear doubtful. Philosophy and theology have assisted human beings throughout history to better understand life, but neither of these disciplines can provide a remedy to the problem of evil, but can help to explain evil and suffering through effective theodicy. The Biblical remedy to the problem of evil is the atoning work of Christ, and his resurrection applied to followers and an ultimately culminated Kingdom of God.
DUBRAY, C.A. (1911)(2007) ‘Naturalism’ in New Advent: Catholic Encyclopedia, New York, Robert Appleton Company.http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10713a.htm
HEIMBROCK, HANS-GUNTER (2005) ‘From Data to Theory: Elements of Methodology in Empirical Phenomenological Research in Practical Theology’ in International Journal of Practical Theology, Volume 9, December, Berlin, Walter D. Gruyter.http://xolopo.de/religionswissenschaften/data_theory_elements_met
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KRIKORIAN, K. (1944)(2007) (ed.), Naturalism and the Human Spirit, New York, Columbia University Press, in Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Stanford University.http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/naturalism/
PETERS, KARL, E. (1992) ‘Empirical Theology in the Light of Science, in The Journal of Religion and Science, Volume 27 Issue 3 Page 297-325, September, Oxford, Zygon, Blackwell Publishing.http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-
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It seems to me that empirical science is very much a philosophy to understand and interpret reality as any belief system. It tries to devoid itself of religious connections with a denial of the existence of God. This to me is where empirical science weakens itself, for the very scientific evidence it presents leads a person to an idea or belief that there has to be a first cause which leads us right to God the Intelligent Designer.
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Thanks.
ReplyDeleteEmpirical science is fine on its own. Scientific deductions that are philosophical can start with atheistic assumptions. These deductions are debateable, but empirical science is testable science and not philosophy.
Hi Russ, I'm back but not for long. See latest blog. Interesting article as usual mate. I like the way you think things through. Many people just mouth off with their favourite theories and the like. Well done for good clear thinking. I suppose it's not for everyone as it would be a funny world if everyone had a PhD. I certainly do not qualify. Good on you Russ we need more like you.
ReplyDeleteTo have no time for philosophy is to be a true philosopher.
Blaise Pascal.
Russell.
Thanks for the very kind comments, Russell. Your support is always a huge help. I shall check out your posting now.
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This is something I sometimes think about. As science often seems God's enemy in many ways, and yet I don't beleive that has to be so, or should be the status quo, and there is room for the two to work together, or for science to be seen and examined, through the eyes and lense of Scripture.
ReplyDeleteScience is a discipline that primarily relies on empirical methods. There are non-empirical scientific theories that are often related to empirical findings, such as aspects of evolutionary philosophy. Empirical science would be beyond the scope of Scripture, as the Bible is not a science text. The Bible does not review science.
ReplyDeletePhilosophy and Theology with the use of reason, which can include using empirical evidence, make deductions.
deduction
The process of reasoning from the general to the specific, in which a conclusion follows necessarily from the premises.
Science itself can explain how and why many things work, but does not provide concepts concerning the meaning of life which only God could supply through revelation. When non-empirical scientific philosophy contrasts Biblical theology it can be reasonably opposed, but empirical science is truth as is God's revelation.
Thanks, Deejay.
Russ:)
This is in regard to a sleep apnea question from a Facebook friend.
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I eat little and exercise an hour a day. I could quit my theology career and find a job where I exercise all day and that would help a bit, but the apnea could still help to narrow my arteries. I have a very serious illness presently and I need more oxygen at night to speed up my metabolism otherwise with my receding jaw and large neck it is going to be very hard to keep the weight off. The only times I have lost weight the last few years is after major surgeries and then it comes back.
If CPAP and jaw surgery works well I should lose 40 pounds by just doing what I am doing.
My sleep apnea is a major problem of evil presently and is making my weak eye suffer as well. I am in need of intervention soon and I am glad I will be on CPAP next month.
So you will now be getting that CPAP. I am praying it will give you the help you are needing, at least until you can afford the surgery which, according to the recent article you sent, will be the best possible treatment for your apnea, although it is not a cure. I can certainly understand why so many people do not know how serious this disease is, as there has been so little written about it. I guess that is probably because the medical practitioners do not know how to fix it. Keep on pitching Russ. You know the old saying: "The sqeaky wheel gets the grease." So keep squeaking, loud and clear. My prayers go with you.
ReplyDeleteSeeing if I can't start a little something here- You say that the Faith is not experimental: Now, as Dr. Stott says, "God is a God of history:" History is a compendium of human experience, and Holy Scripture is an account of God entering history and man reacting or responding to those Divine interruptions. He set down boundaries: Rules by which the "Experiment" must be carried out. Some tested those boundaries, and the same Scriptures report their findings (death and chaos) as well those of them who followed the Mentor's instructions (life and peace).
ReplyDeleteOr what definition of "experimental" am I overlooking?
I do not view Christian faith and philosophy as primarily experimental...
ReplyDeleteThanks, Robert, for the good comment. I shall email this article out and see if someone else would like to deal with your idea.
When I state that the Christian faith is not primarily experimental, I am countering the views of some within empirical theology that statistical findings, such as completed with my MPhil and PhD dissertations, can be considered as important as Scripture and therefore can overturn orthodox Biblically based doctrines.
I reason that empirical theology and related statistics can complement Biblical and philosophical theology but should not overturn concepts from those disciplines. I include the word primarily in that I realize that theology and Christian practice can include experimentation even within an orthodox, traditional setting, and so your point is well taken.
Interestingly, my University department will not let me use John Stott, Gordon Fee, D.A. Carson, or William Barclay as references as they are not considered academic enough. I could write more on this but it would be wise to have the PhD in hand first.;)
Cheers, Robert.
Russ:)
Clarification of comment by Mr. Thinker: It seems that empirical science is a philosophic system that begins with the assumption that there is something as opposed to the idea that there is nothing. Upon making this assumption it then begins to measure, test etc. the object or field which it is studying. Upon studying the sophistication of nature, the universe, solar system, human body etc., seeing the complexity and the incredible mathematics and physics of things, it logically should lead a person to the idea that there should be a First Cause or Intelligent Designer. Therefore this science brings us back around and face to face with Almighty God.
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Mr. T., let me agree with you a little extra and venture that it is not outside our understanding of theology to say that all real, empirical, science is Natural Theology and, if done honestly and properly, points us to God through a more thorough understanding of General Revelation. We cannot, of course, exclude the Special Revelation of Holy Scripture and of Christ's Incarnation. Even a hard look at humanity
ReplyDeletein all our fallen-ness leads us to a clearer picture of God than we would expect!
Thanks for the comments, Thinker. That is a good clarification and thanks for coming by the condo.
ReplyDeleteIn general terms there is a philosophy of science. There is a philosophy of all disciplines. Blackburn explains that the philosophy of science arises from the investigation of questions that arise from reflection upon science and scientific practice. Blackburn (1999: 343).
BLACKBURN, SIMON (1996) ‘Science, Philosophy of', in Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, p. 343. Oxford, Oxford University Press.
Strictly speaking in the sense of academics, empirical science is not the discipline of philosophy. That is why I stated that empirical science is testable science and not philosophy.
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philosophy
Philosophy can be distinguished from empirical science and religion. The Penguin Encyclopedia says that philosophy differs from science in that its questions cannot be answered empirically, i.e. by observation or experiment, and from religion, in that its purpose is entirely intellectual, and allows no place for faith or revelation...By contrast, The Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy states that "the late 20th-century... prefers to see philosophical reflection as continuous with the best practice of any field of intellectual enquiry."
Thanks Robert.
ReplyDeleteIn a way similar to you and Thinker, I can see that empirical science should connect one to natural theology. However, many scientists will not agree of course and will develop scientific philosophy based on empirical findings which could deny God, or postulate agnosticism.
Hey Russ, thanks for saying hello over at my blog. I've been following yours in the shadows for just a couple weeks now. I see you are a member of Grace Vancouver Church. That's great, I've met John Smed a couple of times. I was a part of the group in Hamilton, ON that recently started up New City Church. Now, though, I need to follow the PCA's work in Canada from a distance, unfortunately (it was very exciting to be a part of it).
ReplyDeleteI'm looking forward to read more here. I'm really interested in the fact that you are doing your PhD distance.
Anyway, thanks again for saying hi. Good to (virtually) meet you.
Thanks, Jake.
ReplyDeleteInteresting that you followed my blog for a bit and then I found your blog as well. Perhaps one indication the Blog Rush widget is somewhat useful.
I would be interested in linking as that was a reason I commented on your blog and some of the articles on this blog relate to my PhD writing, such as this one.
John invited me to join Grace Vancouver, and is from what I see, a very good man and supportive.
Russ:)
Hey Russ,
ReplyDeletethis is just to let you know, that I am still reading your blog, even if I didn't comment for about a month.
November was vacation, December was just busy with lots and lots of overhours and whenever I read one of your brilliant articles it felt like I just hadn't enough brains left to add a meanfull comment...
So maybe this will be revived soon
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but just that you know I am still here and enjoying your blog,
Helen
Thanks much, Helen.
ReplyDeleteI realize from reading your blog that you have had some eventful times. I have prayed for you on occasion and appreciate the support.
Russ:)
The question of empirical sciences as an “assist” to theology is a long worn hoary wormwood. Any real empiric would examine Calvin and company for iterations of theological change to harder-hardness (on a Moh scale - this is fun) or softer-ness in holding to, say, TULIP at the cost of blindness to data. Sure, scientists tout skepticism in ways that make them blind to valued data, but this problem is addressed by peer review. The truth is that empirical studies in attribution theory show that theological confessionals (Calvinists or Arminians) don’t translate worth a squat into real-life attributions. That and a thousand other disjuncts from theology to real life.
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Jim
The truth is that empirical studies in attribution theory show that theological confessionals (Calvinists or Arminians) don’t translate worth a squat into real-life attributions. That and a thousand other disjuncts from theology to real life.
ReplyDeleteMy Reformed, Calvinist theodicy related doctrines were somewhat rejected within the data. However, this does not make the theology untrue. Reformed, Calvinist views within the Church need to be better explained and that is an original finding based on the data. This provides me with needed originality for the PhD, and so I am pleased with these results in one sense.
Thanks, Jim.
Russ - you did an excellent tout court (summary) of the interaction between your Reformed convictions and empirical theology. And without unfairly skewing the descriptive claims of the latter.
ReplyDeleteThat’s one of the virtues of Reformed scholarship at its best. A really nice job in your case. I’m jealous, really.
A question’s coming. But first, housekeeping. I’m neither Calvinist nor Arminian because the textual warrants are indeterminate, multi-vocal, and I’d say polyhierarchical (determinism-freedom given accentuated focus in different texts); but, ultimately indeterminate. I’m not arguing this here. Just housekeeping. My judgment here isn’t guided by hifalutin philosophical speculations, nor by empirical science, nor by some weird Machiavellian desire to compromise de camp - it’s just my honest rendering since as a teenager (and ever since), I’ve tried to overcome Chuck Smith’s (Calvary Chapel) honest claim to “ignorance” at how to resolve Calvinist-Arminian questions. You can see an article in Christianity Today, styling Calvary Chapel as neither Calvinist nor Arminian; but then again, Chuck’s no scholar. And magazine classifications aren’t good theology. I'm no card-carrying Calvary Chapelite anyway (Reformed, Quaker, and charismatic Calvary Chapel/Vineyard families have had the greatest influence on me). I’ve one mentor and peer-reviewer of my daily work who is profoundly Reformed: I’m extremely grateful for his influence. Enough housekeeping.
Back to you.
I don’t want to change the trajectory of your research, nor the intended audience of your theodicy readership; but, I’m really glad you note (humility, really) the problems in the difference between theology-fit-to-empirical findings. I cop to that too.
What I’m really wondering is whether there’s a potential “readership” advantage to you (wider readership), perhaps even an evangelical justification for appealing to wider readership, if you could keep your integrity between your Reformed convictions, while simultaneously mapping your theology and theodicy over to the public languages of empirical queries (science is not really an “epistemology”) that Arminians would otherwise co-opt (e.g., recent open-theology conference on theology and science)? – a "map" is experimental, tentative, or "just for conversation," no?
For just one example, I do this mapping when I map my otherwise private, interior sense of the Spirit over onto the public language domain of virtue ethics (eudaimonia), but the map is incomplete. Since I’m not committed to an a priori Calvinist-Arminian theology, I don’t know how this feels for guys like you where you’re dealing with more than ethics! – it's just that I can’t really think of a field where such a mapping over to public language (Calvin’s “common grace”?), even mapping to empirical language (throw in pragmatism too), could be more evangelical than in the field of theodicy!
Why let Greg Boyd have all the fun?
Tag!
Cheers,
Jim
Thanks very much, Jim. The comments are much appreciated.
ReplyDelete...if you could keep your integrity between your Reformed convictions, while simultaneously mapping your theology and theodicy over to the public languages of empirical queries
This blog, thekingpin68 is probably only a notch below my PhD presentation. It is rather academic, although lately I have been adding in some humour. I aim to keep this blog primarily dealing with academic, philosophical theology, with some practical and empirical elements.
My satire and theology blog in links features the same basic ideas, but simplified with less citations. This is perhaps more practically orientated. I suppose I find philosophical theology almost always has practical implications, but I do not always share them. I often leave it up to the reader to apply theology. Both thekingpin68 and satire and theology have featured debates/discussions in comments. This last weekend with the latest on satire and theology there are debates concerning agnosticism and six day creation in comments. I am really busy with final PhD revisions at the moment (82,000 words), but I try to put 20 hours a week into blogging, which includes commenting on other blogs. God willing, once I become a professor, I will cut back somewhat.
I am always looking for links if this interests, Jim.
Russ:)