Tuesday, June 29, 2021

PhD: Twitter quote 93

PhD: Twitter quote 93

Photo: Lungern, Switzerland Luxary Travel June 18 2021

Edited from PhD

Twitter version I

Sire notes some theistic critics have found fault with naturalism, reasoning a personal God was behind the universe & that naturalism did not provide an adequate reason why human beings were valuable. 

Twitter version II

Human beings are unique, but so are gorillas, & there remains the problem of establishing the value of human beings within naturalism (Sire).
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Sire (1977: 74). 

DUBRAY, C.A. (1911)(2007) ‘Naturalism’ in New Advent: Catholic Encyclopedia, New York, Robert Appleton Company.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10713a.htm 

HEIMBROCK, HANS-GUNTER (2005) ‘From Data to Theory: Elements of Methodology in Empirical Phenomenological Research in Practical Theology’ in International Journal of Practical Theology, Volume 9, December, Berlin, Walter D. Gruyter.
http://xolopo.de/religionswissenschaften/data_theory_elements_met hodology_empirical_15063.html 

KRIKORIAN, K. (1944)(2007) (ed.), Naturalism and the Human Spirit, New York, Columbia University Press, in Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Stanford University.http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/naturalism/ 

PETERS, KARL, E. (1992) ‘Empirical Theology in the Light of Science, in The Journal of Religion and Science, Volume 27 Issue 3 Page 297-325, September, Oxford, Zygon, Blackwell Publishing.
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467- 9744.1992.tb01068.x 

SIRE, JAME W (1975) The Universe Next Door, Downers Grove, Illinois, InterVarsity Press. 

THIESSEN, HENRY C. (1956) Introductory Lectures in Systematic Theology, Grand Rapids, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.

2010 Theodicy and Practical Theology: PhD thesis, the University of Wales, Trinity Saint David, Lampeter 



Sunday, June 27, 2021

Eternal versus Everlasting III in my 40 degrees plus Celsius condominium loft

Eternal versus Everlasting III

Out for a show, last night. in Vancouver. It was not @ the Triple O's.

Preface

The sermon at church today dealt with eternal issues and I thought in version III, I should cite more from New Testament Greek.

Previously from the archives

Friday, November 03, 2006: Eternal vs. Everlasting 


June 27 2021

I will add some material to what I wrote previously with some edits. This is consistent with my website approach to God-willing, build on scholarship, knowledge and understanding through the development of related articles over time. 


Cited

(Strong’s Definitions Legend) αἰώνιος aiṓnios, ahee-o'-nee-os; from G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):—eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began). Lexicon: Strong's G166 

Cited

Greek Inflections of αἰώνιος 

αἰώνια — 1x 
αἰωνίαν — 2x 
αἰωνίοις — 1x 
αἰώνιον — 45x 
αἰώνιός — 1x 
αἰώνιος — 2x
αἶώνιος — 1x 
αἰωνίου — 14x 
αἰωνιόυ — 1x
αἰωνίους — 1x 
αἰωνίων — 2x 

Cited

KJV Translation Count — Total: 71x 

The KJV translates Strong's G166 in the following manner: eternal (42x), everlasting (25x), the world began (with G5550) (2x), since the world began (with G5550) (1x), for ever (1x).

Outline of Biblical Usage 

1 without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be  (eternal, my add)

2 without beginning (eternal, my add)

3 without end, never to cease, everlasting (everlasting, my add)

Cited

Thayer's Greek Lexicon quotes STRONGS NT 166: αἰώνιος αἰώνιος, -ον, and (in 2 Thessalonians 2:16; Hebrews 9:12; Numbers 25:13; Plato, Tim., p. 38 b. [see below]; Diodorus 1:1; [cf. WHs Appendix, p. 157; Winers Grammar, 69 (67); Buttmann, 26 (23)]) -ος, -α, -ον, (αἰών); 

1. without beginning or end, that which always has been and always will be: θεός, Romans 16:26 (ὁ μόνος αἰώνιος, 2 Macc. 1:25); πνεῦμα, Hebrews 9:14. 

2. without beginning: χρόνοις αἰωνίοις, Romans 16:25; πρὸ χρόνων αἰωνίων, 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 1:2; εὐαγγέλιον, a gospel whose subject-matter is eternal, i. e., the saving purpose of God adopted from eternity, Revelation 14:6. 

3. without end, never to cease, everlasting: 2 Corinthians 4:18. 


Based on this Greek translation, this below might be a better rendering than most...

Amplified Bible 

So we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are unseen; for the things which are visible are temporal [just brief and fleeting], but the things which are invisible are everlasting and imperishable.

In other words, everlasting (eternal) life for those in the applied atoning and resurrection work of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15, Revelation 20-22).

My default most used English version is the New American Standard Bible (NASB)

...while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal. 

This translation does not bother me, as in context I view 'eternal' as 'everlasting'.

Theology and Philosophy of Religion

From the New Testament Greek according to Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the same Greek word can be defined in English as either eternal or everlasting. The Greek word aíwvios (aionios) is explained as meaning perpetual, used of past time or past and future as well, eternal, for ever, and everlasting. Strong (1986: 8). Strong provides only one word for eternal or everlasting from the New Testament. 

Walter Bauer notes that in Romans 16: 25, a form of the word is used to describe a mystery of long ages ago without beginning. Bauer (1979: 28). In Hebrews 9: 14, a form of the word is used to describe the eternal Spirit and is mentioned as existing without beginning or end. Bauer (1979: 28). In Mathew 19: 29, Jesus discusses those that shall inherit everlasting life, and the word is used in a form that describes life existing without end. Bauer (1979: 28). 

The first verse appears to be describing a mystery that always existed with God, and in the second verse it mentions the Spirit of God that has always existed, and did not begin and will not cease. In the third verse the life Jesus discusses did not always exist, but everlasting life shall be given to some by God. There is a clear philosophical difference between the first two meanings and the last one. 

The first two examples, in my view, are describing aspects of the eternal God. Something which is eternal according to Simon Blackburn is not moving, and is beyond time, whereas the third example in light of Blackburn's definition is describing something that is everlasting and running within time. Blackburn (1996: 126). 

In the first two usages of the word the idea being put across is that the mystery existed within the mind of the eternal God, and that God’s Spirit was eternal. God is eternal, as in without beginning or end and is beyond time. Grenz, Guretzki, Nordling (1999: 47). The third verse is not describing eternal life, but everlasting life which has a beginning but no ending. The everlasting life of those in Christ is not eternal, but exists within time and continues to run within time and therefore this life should be properly defined as everlasting life as opposed to eternal life. This philosophical difference is why in my writings I only use the term eternal in the context of God and use the terms everlasting life, everlasting existence, or everlasting punishment when mentioning God’s created beings which exist in time. I am not trying to split hairs here, but rather wish to attempt to define my terms as properly as possible in order to avoid related theological and philosophical difficulties through the use of terminology in the future.  

This is not to deny some of the theological concepts which scholars and students use with the concept of eternal life. One student mentioned to me, while I lived in England, that we as Christians will share in the eternal life of God in the culminated Kingdom of God. I agree that we shall exist with God and experience his existence, but technically speaking he has eternal life, and we shall have everlasting life. God alone has always existed and therefore has eternal life. J.F. Walvoord notes that eternal life in Scripture is contrasted with physical life, and I completely agree. Walvoord (1996: 369). 

Whether the term is translated as eternal or everlasting life, I agree that it is the life that is opposed to physical temporal life from a Scriptural perspective. I would also add that it is contrasted with everlasting punishment for unbelievers. Whether we call it eternal or everlasting life it can only be found through Christ according to the Biblical account. 

Vicious Regress

Philosophically important for clarity, is the idea that the eternal triune God did not exist in any type of state of time prior to the creation of the time, the universe, and matter. I say this to avoid a vicious regress. In the Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, Simon Blackburn discusses ‘infinite regress’ and mentions that this occurs in a vicious way whenever a problem tries to solve itself and yet remains with the same problem it had previously. A vicious regress is an infinite regress that does not solve its own problem, while a benign regress is an infinite regress that does not fail to solve its own problem. Blackburn writes that there is frequently room for debate on what is a vicious regress or benign regress. Blackburn (1996: 324). 

In The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, William Tolhurst writes that a vicious regress is in some way unacceptable as it would include an infinite series of items dependent on prior items. A vicious regress may be impossible to hold to philosophically, or it may be inconsistent. Tolhurst (1996: 835). If the triune God had an infinite amount of time to plan creation, as some Christians state, then we would have the major philosophical difficulty of an infinite amount of time for God to traverse in order to arrive at creation. This would be a vicious regress and a problem that does not solve itself. This vicious regress would be an excellent target for critical philosophers to rightly claim as a major problem with Christian theology and philosophy. 


My solution, although not perfect since a finite being cannot fully understand eternity, it to state that prior to time, God was (and is) an infinite being that communicated within the trinity, but not in the sense of interaction that took time. God simply knew God and then created time, space, matter, the universe and all that is finite within that physical realm. God can now communicate within time with his creation. God did not need an infinite amount of time to plan his creation as with infinite knowledge God did what he desired via his nature. God was (and is) and created. 

BAUER, W. (1979) A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Translated by Eric H. Wahlstrom, Chicago, The University of Chicago Press. 

BLACKBURN, S. (1996) Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, Oxford, Oxford University Press. 

GRENZ, STANLEY J., DAVID GURETZKI and CHERITH FEE NORDLING (1999) Pocket Dictionary of Theological Terms, Downers Grove, Ill., InterVarsity Press. 

STRONG, J. (1986) Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, Pickering, Ontario, Welch Publishing Company. 

TOLHURST, WILLIAM (1996) 'Vicious Regress', in Robert Audi, (ed.), The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press. 

WALVOORD, J. F. (1996) ‘Eternal Life’, in Walter A. Elwell (ed.), Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Books.

Thursday, June 24, 2021

PhD: Twitter quote 92

PhD: Twitter quote 92

Twitter version I

God is revealed in Scripture to be spiritual in nature as described in John 4:24, therefore God could never be proven to exist through the empirical, scientific testing of matter. 

Twitter version II

Science is therefore a discipline outside of the realm of the supernatural.
June 24, 2021

The first cause, the primary cause, the uncaused cause, God, is infinite and by definition, beyond finite, time, space and matter. God cannot be proven empirically, but God works within creation. Creation is empirical as is God's key historical, revelation as the God-man, God the Son, God the Word, the incarnate, Jesus Christ, that provides salvation for those regenerate persons (John 3, Titus 3) that believe in him (John 1-3).




John 4: 24 πνεῦμα ὁ θεός   

πνεῦμα  pnuema (spirit)

ὁ  ho (is)

θεός  theos (God)

Translated

God is spirit.

John 4: 24 King James Version (KJV)

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

BLACKBURN, SIMON (1996) Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, Oxford, Oxford University Press. 

DUBRAY, C.A. (1911)(2007) ‘Naturalism’ in New Advent: Catholic Encyclopedia, New York, Robert Appleton Company.http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10713a.htm 

HEIMBROCK, HANS-GUNTER (2005) ‘From Data to Theory: Elements of Methodology in Empirical Phenomenological Research in Practical Theology’ in International Journal of Practical Theology, Volume 9, December, Berlin, Walter D. Gruyter.http://xolopo.de/religionswissenschaften/data_theory_elements_met hodology_empirical_15063.html 

KRIKORIAN, K. (1944)(2007) (ed.), Naturalism and the Human Spirit, New York, Columbia University Press, in Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Stanford University.http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/naturalism/

OXFORD DICTIONARY OF SCIENCE (2010) Oxford, Oxford University Press. 

PETERS, KARL, E. (1992) ‘Empirical Theology in the Light of Science, in The Journal of Religion and Science, Volume 27 Issue 3 Page 297-325, September, Oxford, Zygon, Blackwell Publishing.
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467- 9744.1992.tb01068.x 

SIRE, JAME W (1975) The Universe Next Door, Downers Grove, Illinois, InterVarsity Press. 

THE CONCISE OXFORD DICTIONARY (1995) Della Thompson (ed.), Oxford, Clarendon Press.

THIESSEN, HENRY C. (1956) Introductory Lectures in Systematic Theology, Grand Rapids, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.

archives: Scientism 


2010 Theodicy and Practical Theology: PhD thesis, the University of Wales, Trinity Saint David, Lampeter   

Monday, June 21, 2021

PhD: Twitter quote 91

 

PhD: Twitter quote 91


2010 Theodicy and Practical Theology: PhD thesis, the University of Wales, Trinity Saint David, Lampeter

Edited from PhD

Twitter version I

Lyon discusses the Christian Church & social changes, & explains that the cultural memory of some aspects of Christianity has been eroded. Lyon (1998: 279). Secularization may have played its part in this erosion. Lyon (1998: 279). 

Twitter version II

Edited from PhD: David Lyon discusses the Christian Church & social changes, & explains that the cultural memory of some aspects of Christianity has been eroded. Lyon (1998: 279)
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David Lyon warns against the dangers of fundamentalism and hedonism/nihilism and states that the goodness and grace of the Christian God is the only hope for the world. Lyon (1998: 294). In a secularized Western culture (Lyon (1998: 279), the Christian Church needs to restructure where necessary, certain practices without denying the Biblical revelation which provides hope for persons.

June 21.2021

Cultural erosion, at times, may or may not be a negative for the modern Christian Church. This depends often on individual churches and sometimes at denominational levels, I reason. For example, the presentation of modern, contemporary worship music (CWM) may mean the end of the use of older hymns in some churches. Some within the Church will argue the hymns need to remain or return because they have more solid, theological, material than the more modern music. Others will state that CWM is more relatable to young (er) generations that need to keep local churches in existence as older generations will die off first.

My example at times will be connected to Lyon's mention of the dangers of fundamentalism, when certain people at Church take radical, confrontational views against opposing views.

But denying biblical revelation in context, and central core, biblical Christian theology is a definite negative and with 'progression' and 'evolution', supposedly with theology and Christian worldview, will turn a biblical church into an apostate church.

The dangers of secularism, for one. Or any other contrary worldview within the Church.


Galatians 1: 6-9: New American Standard Bible (NASB)

6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you [c]by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel, 7 which is not just another account; but there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be [d]accursed! 9 As we have said before, even now I say again: if anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be [e]accursed!  

c Galatians 1:6 Lit in
d Galatians 1:8 Gr anathema 
e Galatians 1:9 Gr anathema

In regards to Galatians, 1, Marshall provides eteron euaggelion 'another gospel'. Coad states one that preaches such as gospel is 'eternally condemned' -anathema. Coad (1986: 1418).

ἀνάθεμα: Is translated as 'a curse' 'let him be' estw in Alfred Marshall's Greek Lexicon. Bauer documents ἀνάθεμα: it is the 'object of a curse' in Galatians 1: 8 forward. Bauer (1979: 54). Strong's also uses ἀνάθεμα: A religious ban or excommunicated thing or person-accursed, anathema, curse x great. Strong (1986: 10). 

Concepts of being everlastingly condemned, being cursed/anathema seem stronger than simply a perversion of the true gospel, or aberrant theology. It appears from the level of Paul's critical critique it is quite possibly beyond legalistic religion that is actually being discussed. It is presumptuous to assume that core orthodox doctrines were still held to, although this is a possibility based on scholarship. Rather in being a different gospel means there is a reasonable possibility the particular Judaizers involved had fallen back into the Law to a point where they had theologically and practically rejected the atoning work and resurrection of Christ in soteriology. Therefore they may have in fact had a different gospel, a different religion.

In the Galatians case, the Apostle Paul, was likely discussing Judaizers, but theologically a false gospel can be any form of worldview and theologies that replaces the biblical, New Testament gospel within a Christian Church.

BAUER, W (1979) A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Translated by Eric H. Wahlstrom, Chicago, The University of Chicago Press. 

COAD, F. ROY (1986) ‘Galatians’, in F.F. Bruce (gen.ed.), The International Bible Commentary, Grand Rapids, Marshall Pickering/ Zondervan. 

MARSHALL, ALFRED (1975)(1996) The Interlinear KJV-NIV, Grand Rapids, Zondervan.

LYON, DAVID (1998) ‘Memory and the Millennium: Time and Social Change at the Fin de Siecle’, Timothy Bradshaw (ed.), in Grace and Truth in the Secular Age, Grand Rapids, Eerdmans.

STRONG, J. (1890)(1986) Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, Pickering, Ontario, Welch Publishing Company.

United Kingdom: trekearth.com

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