Friday, May 01, 2009

What is certain?

What is certain?

Edited March 18 2022

Preface

British Columbia (photo from trekearth.com) 

For my PhD revisions I have had to work on philosopher Immanuel Kant in greater detail, as an influence on John Hick as his soul making theodicy. 

In a serious debate on apologetics Immanuel Kant may be mentioned and so this is a useful post. This part of my Kant revisions defends a view of philosophical certainty. I am not a Kantian scholar. The first citation is background from another part of my Kant section. The noumena realm is invisible and has true infinity where Kant believes one can reason that contingent personality is dependent on the universal and necessary connection to the invisible world.[1] [1] Kant (1788)(1898)(2006: 100)... 

The noumena and therefore noumenal realm is the non-material, non-empirical realm of reality.

John Hick states that natural theology can only at best demonstrate that God is probable;[1] however, I hold that Peter D. Klein’s definition of certainty[2] could possibly be applied to natural theology. [3] Klein (1996) in ‘Certainty’ describes the idea as being that a proposition is true if there are no legitimate grounds whatsoever for doubting it.[4] This is a reasonable concept, and I support the similar idea that a proposition is certain if there are no counter propositions that are superior.[5] Natural theology therefore would never be 100% certain,[6] but could hypothetically at least be philosophically certain as long as arguments that supported natural theology were true beyond any reasonable doubt,[7] or the arguments for natural theology were superior to those opposing them.

In regard to the noumena realm of Immanuel Kant making Christian doctrine clearly metaphorical and indefensible, I respectfully disagree with Hick.[8] Christian doctrine is not primarily established through the use of natural theology, but by what many conservatives and some liberals view as the revelation of God through Hebrew Bible writers, and Christ and his New Testament writers.[9] 

For Hick to demonstrate that Biblical revelation should be interpreted in a way that denies traditional conservative doctrines, or liberal ones for that matter, would be difficult since by Hick’s own standard[10] his denial of any possible reasonable understanding of the noumenal realm[11] makes his evaluation of Scripture subject to the same negative critique by which he judges traditional theology. Christian scholars therefore, whether conservative or liberal, are left with looking at contextual, historical and methodological issues relating to Biblical interpretation, and attempting to reason out what Scripture is stating and related issues.[12] This despite the fact that the noumena realm cannot be empirically known.[13] As for Kant, his view allows for the concept of negative noumena.[14] The idea of noumena, according to Kant was bound to the limit of pretension of sensibility and reason, and therefore only negative noumena was of intellectual use.[15] The use of positive noumena which trusts in pure reason is rejected.[16] 

Christian scholarship does not rely primarily on natural theology,[17] which would be considered by certain scholars to simply use pure reason which some also think Kant had demolished.[18] Scriptural Revelation in my view, is not to be considered a source of the concept of pure reason as discussed by Kant and reviewers,[19] but rather I see it as similar to how Kant approached theodicy within his brief article.[20] 

Scripture, like theodicy approaches can be used as an historical, traditional and authoritative source.[21] Revelation from God in Scripture and resulting claims made within could perhaps be tied to Kantian concepts and intuition arising from empirical sensations.[22] This is not a difficulty for a Reformed and some other approach to Christianity which do not rely primarily on philosophical deductions but in supernatural revelation of God through empirical sensations, such as prophets, Christ, the apostles, scribes.[23] As cited, Plantinga reasons that for Kant the intellectual problem is not that persons cannot think about God but that persons cannot come to speculative metaphysical knowledge of God.[24] 

My proposition and conclusion here, which I realize some will debate, is that Scripture is not primarily metaphysical speculation about God as discussed,[25] but is rather coming from empirically based sources[26] as God speaks through the authors and players within his Bible.[27]

[1] Hick in Geivett (1993: 230-231). Geivett (1993: 49).
[2] Klein (1996: 113).
[3] And Biblical theology as well.
[4] Klein (1996: 113). Blackburn explains that a proposition would be considered certain when there is no doubt concerning its truth. Blackburn (1996: 60). 
[5] This would also accomplish the standard of a proposition being true as it is beyond (reasonable) doubt. 
[6] In my view 100% certainty is impossible to grasp for a finite being that cannot have 100% knowledge. Absolute certainty could only belong to an infinite, omniscient being. 
[7] Klein (1996: 113). Blackburn (1996: 60).
[8] Hick (1993: 126). Geivett points out Kant postulates the existence of God out of practical necessity within a system of morality. Geivett (1993: 87). I would deduce Christian doctrine could be considered in a similar sense, even from a critical perspective.
[9] Otto Weber discusses this issue. Weber (1955)(1981: 169-331). John Murray suggests that through Scripture the activity of God, the Father, is reflected. Murray (1937-1966)(1977: 148). See also Erickson (1994: 176-177).
[10] Hick (1993: 126). Geivett explains that there is no way of knowing whether or not Hick’s theodicy is true. Geivett (1993: 88).
[11] Kant (1781)(1787)(1929)(2006: 393). Guyer and Wood in Kant (1781)(1787)(1998: 10). Smid (1999: 10).
[12] Weber (1955) (1981: 169-331). Lindsell (1976: 200-211). 
[13] Kant (1788)(1898)(2006: 26). Guyer and Wood in Kant (1781)(1787)(1998: 10). Smid (1999: 10). [14] Kant (1781)(1787)(1998: 350).
[15] Kant (1781)(1787)(1998: 350). Smith (1930: 413). Ameriks (1996: 400). 
[16] Williams (1987: 150). Smith (1930: 413). Ameriks (1996: 400).
[17] Weber (1955) (1981: 169-331). Erickson (1994: 176-177).
[18] Hick in Geivett (1993: 230). Weber (1955) (1981: 203). Geivett would not agree and considers it dangerous to completely dismiss natural theology. Geivett (1993: 69-89). Even after accepting Kant’s critique as reasonable and somewhat valuable, I still reason that philosophical truths about God can possibly be deduced without the use of direct divine revelation through a supernatural event and/or Scripture. Deductions concerning a first cause and/or God, do not however qualify as equivalent to the knowledge of knowing God as a result of Scripture and the influence of the Holy Spirit. Philosophical deductions concerning God would not necessarily be of pure reason, and I can agree with Kant that any reasonable deduction and intuition must be tied back to empirical experience by which to make sense of these deductions. Kant (1781)(1787)(1929)(2006: 66). Blackburn (1996: 205).
[19] Williams (1987: 150). Smith (1930: 413). Ameriks (1996: 400).
[20] Kant, Immanuel (1791)(2001) ‘On The Miscarriage of All Philosophical Trials in Theodicy’, in Religion and Rational Theology. 
[21] Weber (1955) (1981: 169-331).
[22] Kant (1781)(1787)(1929)(2006: 66). Blackburn (1996: 205). 
[23] Weber (1955) (1981: 169-331). William G.T. Shedd provides the view that general, natural revelation is not infallible. He differentiates this from Scriptural Revelation. Shedd (1874-1890)(1980: 66). Van Til writes that the Reformers reasoned they were listening to Christ directly through the Scriptures as God revealed himself to humanity. Van Til (1977: 246).
[24] Plantinga (2000: 9).
[25] Plantinga (2000: 9).
[26] Kant (1781)(1787)(1929)(2006: 66). Blackburn (1996: 205). I am not stating that Kant was a Christian philosopher from an orthodox, historical perspective, but Van Til writes that Kant made room for Christ as the Son of God as Christ is viewed as the idea set before humanity for persons to emulate moral perfection. This was done through a historical faith. Van Til (1977: 399). Minimally this does not appear as a complete rejection of Biblical theology. 
[27] Weber (1955) (1981: 169-331). Shedd (1874-1890)(1980: 66). Van Til (1977: 246). Lindsell (1976: 200-211). 

AMERIKS, KARL (1999) ‘Kant, Immanuel’, in Robert Audi (ed.), The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press.

GEIVETT, R. DOUGLAS (1993) Evil and the Evidence for God, Philadelphia, Temple University Press. 

GUYER, PAUL AND ALLEN W, in KANT, IMMANUEL (1781)(1787)(1998) Critique of Pure Reason, Translated and edited by Paul Guyer and Allen W. Wood, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge. 

HICK, JOHN (1970) Evil and The God of Love, London, The Fontana Library. 

HICK, JOHN (1978) ‘Present and Future Life’, Harvard Theological Review, Volume 71, Number 1-2, January-April, Harvard University. 

HICK, JOHN (1981) Encountering Evil, Stephen T. Davis (ed.), Atlanta, John Knox Press.

HICK, JOHN (1993) The Metaphor of God Incarnate, Louisville, Kentucky, John Know Press.

HICK, JOHN (1994) Death and Eternal Life, Louisville, Kentucky, John Knox Press. 

HICK, JOHN (1999) ‘Life after Death’, in Alan Richardson and John Bowden (eds.), A New Dictionary of Christian Theology, Kent, SCM Press. 

KANT, IMMANUEL (1781)(1787)(1998) Critique of Pure Reason, Translated and edited by Paul Guyer and Allen W. Wood, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge. 

KANT, IMMANUEL (1781)(1787)(1929)(2006) Critique of Pure Reason, Translated by Norman Kemp Smith, London, Macmillan. http://www.hkbu.edu.hk/~ppp/cpr/toc.html

KANT, IMMANUEL (1788)(1997) Critique of Practical Reason, Translated by Mary Gregor (ed.), Cambridge University Press, Cambridge. 

KANT, IMMANUEL (1788)(1898)(2006) The Critique of Practical Reason, Translated by Thomas Kingsmill Abbott, London, Longmans, Green, and Co. http://philosophy.eserver.org/kant/critique-of-practical-reaso.txt 

KANT, IMMANUEL (1791)(2001) ‘On The Miscarriage of All Philosophical Trials in Theodicy’, in Religion and Rational Theology, Translated by George di Giovanni and Allen Wood, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press. 

KLEIN, PETER D. (1996) ‘Certainty’, in Robert Audi, (ed.), The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press. 

LINDSELL, HAROLD (1976) The Battle for the Bible, Grand Rapids, Zondervan Publishing House. 

MURRAY, JOHN (1937-1966)(1977) Collected Writings of John Murray, Vol. 2: Select Lectures in Systematic Theology, Edinburgh, The Banner of Truth Trust. 

PLANTINGA, ALVIN C. (2000) Warranted Christian Belief, Oxford, Oxford University Press. SHEDD, WILLIAM G.T. (1874-1890)(1980) Dogmatic Theology, Volume 2, Nashville, Thomas Nelson Publishers. 

SMID, ROBERT W. (1999) ‘John Harwood Hick, His Life’, in The Boston Collaborative Encyclopedia of Modern Western Theology, Boston, The Boston Collaborative Encyclopedia of Modern Western Theology. http://people.bu.edu/wwildman/WeirdWildWeb/courses/mwt/dictionary/mwt_them 

SMITH, NORMAN KEMP (1930) A Commentary to Kant’s ‘Critique of Pure Reason’, MacMillan and Co., Limited, London. VAN TIL, CORNELIUS (1977) Christianity and Barthianism, Nutley, New Jersey, Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company. 

WEBBER, OTTO (1955)(1981) Foundations of Dogmatics, Volumes 1 and 2, Translated and annotated by Darrell L. Guder, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. 

WILLIAMS, ROWAN (2007) Wrestling with Angels, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids. 

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33 comments:

  1. The picture of this incredible forest in BC Canada is nice to see on your blog. Local pics of your province clearly shows the readers the true beauty of BC!
    -Tree Bugger-

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  2. I wonder if any one knows that the latest superhero picture that you have added to your blog is Iron Lantern? This is a combination of Green Lantern and Iron Man. A very cool concept and a very real threat to blog trolls!
    -Green Iron the man with the siren-

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  3. It seems that natural theology and philosophy demonstrates from an empirical scientific perspective that God is probable. Its very comforting to know that from a purely intellectual reasoning that God's existence is possible!
    -Me Sir Believer-

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  4. This is pretty weighty material, but to me it seems to boil down to Kant falling into the common perspective of "looking for God", in that the problem is how mankind can "discover" or seek after God, or spiritual enlightenment...when the truth is that God is seeking after us, indeed seeking us passionately, using many means - nature, prophets, scribes, angels, miracles, His Spirit working in the lives of people - to get our attention.

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  5. Mr. Trees,

    I thought that the abstract nature of the photo fit the abstract nature of the article.

    Russ:)

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  6. Dear Green,

    I reason some will think Iron Lantern is Iron Man in a green suit, but he is a Marvel/DC one comic collaboration and a combination of Green Lantern and Iron Man as you noted, in an alternate universe, of course.

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  7. 'It seems that natural theology and philosophy demonstrates from an empirical scientific perspective that God is probable. Its very comforting to know that from a purely intellectual reasoning that God's existence is possible!
    -Me Sir Believer-'

    I reason Kant would state that whatever rational, reasonable intuition we would have on the noumenal realm would be based on the empirical sensations and not on pure reason itself.

    Perhaps, Scripture could be seen as a historical empirical sensation through divinely guided persons that allows us to understand revelation.

    I would see it as more than intuition though but certain truth via divine revelation through God, and the Holy Spirit as God.

    Thanks, Sir.

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  8. Thanks, Chuck.

    I think Kant likely overvalued human intuition concerning God at the expense of the concepts of God revealing himself and regenerating persons he wills.

    Wise words, sir.

    I am glad the power is back on...that was dark.

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  9. While I am inclined to agree wholeheartedly with your final statement, (“…Scripture is not primarily metaphysical speculation about God as discussed, but is rather coming from empirically based sources as God speaks through the authors and players within his Bible,”) the key thing to remember is that if God, (or even merely His existence,) could be undeniably proven by purely empirical means, there would be no room and/or need for faith, which is fundamental to true Christianity.

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  10. A good point, Frank.

    God and God the Son do not typically appear in some physical empirical way to believers as Christ did to Paul in Acts 9. Paul as finite could not empirically experience the fullness of an infinite, non-physical God, but was faced with a light from heaven and the voice of Christ.

    However, I reason even in the case of Paul, God would need to be rationally deduced as God, as opposed to an alien or some other unlikely suggestion.

    Thanks very much, Frank.

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  11. "The noumena realm is invisible and has true infinity where Kant believes one can reason that contingent personality is dependent on the universal and necessary connection to the invisible world.[1]"I think this is Kant's psuedoChristianity showing through. He realizes that you cannot justify any particular without reference to or at least acknowledgement of the universal. While not Platonic or Christian, he nevertheless understands the necessity of the relation between the particular and the universal.

    "John Hick states that natural theology can only at best demonstrate that God is probable".

    I'm with Hick on this. And this is why I favor presuppositional apologetics over "classical" or evidential apologetics.

    "a proposition is true if there are no legitimate grounds whatsoever for doubting ".

    ...and there's the rub. There must be some objective source for determining what is or isn't "legitimate". Philosophically speaking, I don't think we want to fall into the naivety of the "Common Sense" philosophy of Reid and Hamilton. Philosophy is not (or should not) be opposed to scientific reasoning; but even scientific reasoning begins with certain presuppositions that direct (and affect) the outcome of investigation. In my opinion, the idea of legitimacy is too fluid to be a ground of determining "truth".

    Now since "certainty" is (certainly) not "truth" :-) I think I can reason for "certainty" on grounds of "legitimacy"; but I can't go as far as "truth".

    "In regard to the noumena realm of Immanuel Kant making Christian doctrine clearly metaphorical and indefensible, I respectfully disagree with Hick".

    If Hick is making this determination simply because "natural theology" can only demonstrate that God is probable, then I would disagree with him as well. Unless Hicks has himself grounded his belief system in "universals", then he has no justification for anything either. You can't have your cake and eat it too--though, in my house, when it comes to chocolate cake, that is debatable.

    I'm not a Christian rationalist by any means; but "natural theology" is, in my opinion, only a resource for "truth" when one is already convinced about God in the first place. On it's own, "natural theology" falls to the same fate as empiricism--neither is a source of knowlege or "truth", as Hume pointed out.

    Oops...I have to work today--gotta run!

    Any errors in grammer, punctuation and reasoning can be chalked up to...well...my own faulty grammer, faulty use of punctuation and ignorance in reasoning I guess. :-)

    Plus I'm in a hurry!

    GGM

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  12. 'While not Platonic or Christian, he nevertheless understands the necessity of the relation between the particular and the universal.'

    Yes. The material realm does not completely provide explanation for existence.

    'Now since "certainty" is (certainly) not "truth" :-) I think I can reason for "certainty" on grounds of "legitimacy"; but I can't go as far as "truth".'

    It is the best we have in regard to certainty from our finite perspective, but God can do better. From here we reason also what is true.

    'If Hick is making this determination simply because "natural theology" can only demonstrate that God is probable, then I would disagree with him as well. Unless Hicks has himself grounded his belief system in "universals", then he has no justification for anything either.'

    Yes, one of my PhD reviewers sided with this as well.

    Thanks, GGM.:)

    Russ

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  13. I did try to make some sense of the cartoon game, but it appears to be going towards a goal, but the goal is never quite in sight. Is that similar to how you feel now that you are almost able to see the end? Almost finished, but not yet? So one more time around the track? Kind of like Monopoly but no one wins the pot of cash.

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  14. Thanks.

    'I did try to make some sense of the cartoon game, but it appears to be going towards a goal, but the goal is never quite in sight.'

    Yes, the game is pretty close.:)

    'Is that similar to how you feel now that you are almost able to see the end? Almost finished, but not yet?'

    Yes.

    'So one more time around the track? Kind of like Monopoly but no one wins the pot of cash.'

    A friend of mine from L.A. has suggested I become a religious commentator for Fox (or like I imagine), and perhaps I should look at such in the future.

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  15. As far as natural theology, there are plenty of cases in both the Old Testament and New Testament where miracles were performed, and unbelievers witnessed them. In cases such as Pharaoh and the Egyptians, they did come to believe in the Israelite's God when they saw the miracles with their own eyes. In contrast, in the case of the Pharisees, even though they already believed in the Israelite God, when they witnessed the miracles of Jesus, they were not then convinced that He was the Son of God. In both cases (the Egyptians and the Pharisees), they did not become followers of God after witnessing the miracles. And, in the case of those who did become followers of God, it was supernatural intervention that changed them. Therefore, though sensory evidence might cause you to believe in the existence of God, it alone cannot cause one to become a true follower of God (i.e., regenerated), for of course that is the work of the Holy Spirit. A person is not saved through the intellect, but through the heart.

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  16. 'Therefore, though sensory evidence might cause you to believe in the existence of God, it alone cannot cause one to become a true follower of God (i.e., regenerated), for of course that is the work of the Holy Spirit.'

    I have thought the same Jeff. Seeing a miracle could be attributed to many things other than the Christian God, such as other gods, angels, demons, spirits, psychic phenomena, aliens and even the unlikely concept of time travelers. If we see miracles attached by claim to the Biblical God we can with the guidance of the Holy Spirit trace them back to Scriptural revelation.

    Although I would not claim to be a follower of Kant, I can grant that the Scriptural revelation could perhaps serve as the empirical sensation by which persons reason out religious truth. I would see it as more than Kantian intuition, but rather as God objectively revealing self through history. although is also interpreted subjectively by each believer.

    'A person is not saved through the intellect, but through the heart.'

    I reason God regenerates the spirit that includes intellect and emotion, but agreed, persons are not purely saved intellectually, they are regenerated as whole. This sanctification process will be completed upon the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15).

    Cheers, Jeff.:)

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  17. I love your conclusion, Russ! If I understand it correctly, you're asserting that the Bible is indeed empirical evidence that God exists. Couldn't agree more! :)

    Wow!!! I think we actually agree on something!!! ;)

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  18. Yes, and Kant would agree in a sense as well, although he would view it as more intuitive, whereas I view it as God actually communicating with humanity and in particular the elect.

    Cheers, Greg.:)

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  19. If there is one certainy about the human brain it is whatever one person states another will dispute. Personally I believe all we consider begins with a type of pure reason and may or may not then procede to the empirical. I don't think it is vice versa. Experience may be seen as being the start of the empirical, but I think the experience triggers the pure reasoning if only a brief flash and this leads to the empirical.

    As to God, I believe knowledge of God could be considered a priori, although it's source is God; that is, the Bible tells us knowledge of His existance is implanted within us by Him. I further think all person seek a posteriori to either prove or disprove the probability and possibility of God. Some go to more lengths than others, of course.

    To me whatever one concludes to believe, whether in God or in science or in fantasy or in self, it is a matter of faith. Because of the a priori knowledge of God implanted within, everyone seeks a god, but not necessarily the God.

    Larry E.

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  20. I heard that prison officer has now been hired as an officer in the Obama Youth Brigade.


    Just kidding, JUST kidding!

    However, check this out:

    Government wants the military to run state schools

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  21. The guy that tazed those children needs to be tazed a few times himself, what a jerk.. So glad his job was terminated immediately!

    I truly believe that every living man knows that there is a God in his inner consciousness and God put this in him when He created Him! So for anyone to discuss the probability of God is just denying the truth!

    My words are usually plain and simple compared to those who are philosophical theologians but i truly believe it is that simple!


    God bless you Russ :)

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  22. 'If there is one certainy about the human brain it is whatever one person states another will dispute.'

    Agreed on that point, Larry, and thanks for input.

    Happy Weekend.:)

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  23. 'Government wants the military to run state schools'

    That will not be happening here in BC, although some of the young punks here could certainly use some discipline.

    Cheers, Jeff.

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  24. 'The guy that tazed those children needs to be tazed a few times himself, what a jerk.. So glad his job was terminated immediately!'

    Agreed!

    'I truly believe that every living man knows that there is a God in his inner consciousness and God put this in him when He created Him! So for anyone to discuss the probability of God is just denying the truth!'

    Yes, in agreement with Romans 1. I do reason that Christians only know God personally through the Holy Spirit, salvation and revelation/Scripture.

    Without being a Christian, hypothetically, I could reason there is a first cause that comes prior to time and matter.

    But, these provide me with the empirical sensations and context with which I can make rational deductions, not just intuition as in the Kantian sense.

    Thanks, Tamela.:)

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  25. Some people want to prove God's existence in a Science lab, or else they will not believe in Him. However, I suspect that, even if we did prove God's existence in a Science lab, I think unbelievers would continue to reject Him, and come up with excuses for continuing in their unbelief.

    Romans says that nature itself is proof of God's existence. Because of that, no one has any excuse.

    However, the Bible also calls faith a gift. So, without God giving that gift of faith to a person, they will not come to Christ. Obviously, God did not give that gift to everyone; if He did, there would not be Atheists, Agnostics, and people believing in false Religions. Or, all of those Atheists, etc. would come to Christ when they received the gift of faith (i.e., universal salvation).

    I also find it interesting that even some who are Atheists or Agnostics will cry out to God or pray when they are in really deep trouble. I don't mean coming to Christ; I simply mean as a last-ditch desperation attempt. They will also say things like "Oh, God!" Many Atheists and Agnostics will also curse using God's Name or Jesus' Name in vain. Yet no one uses Buddha's name or Mohammad's name or Allah's name or Confucius' name or Brahma's name or any other founder of any false religion, or any false god, as a curse word. Years ago I did some research on this and found that we in the West are the only ones that use God as a curse word. In other cultures that have false religions, they do not use their gods as curse words; instead, their curse words are generally sexually-oriented or have to do with bodily functions or body parts. This makes sense, for why would Satan want unbelievers to curse a false god? He is only interested in having people curse the One True God.

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  26. 'Some people want to prove God's existence in a Science lab, or else they will not believe in Him. However, I suspect that, even if we did prove God's existence in a Science lab, I think unbelievers would continue to reject Him, and come up with excuses for continuing in their unbelief.'

    Yes, and I am extremely skeptical that the non-physical spiritual God could ever be proven empirically.

    'Romans says that nature itself is proof of God's existence. Because of that, no one has any excuse.'

    Agreed, and I think this is more than Kantian intuition, but is reason via empirical influences which could be Kantian. I am not denying that there is a spiritual aspect to natural theology but I reason it is connected to empirical experience and not simply pure reason.

    'However, the Bible also calls faith a gift. So, without God giving that gift of faith to a person, they will not come to Christ.'

    Yes, and Ephesians 2 explains the salvation process.

    'Yet no one uses Buddha's name or Mohammad's name or Allah's name or Confucius' name or Brahma's name or any other founder of any false religion, or any false god, as a curse word.;

    I wonder if the non-believers in those cultures do curse those other religious figures.

    Thanks, Jeff!

    Okay, here is some venting.

    The Canucks throw four games away, I would not give them a cent.

    Of course I do not support the League anyway, but the Canucks let down a lot of fans and observers. Their defensive play was horrible.

    Typical Canucks...oh well enjoy life anyway.

    Chicago reminds me of Ottawa a few years back, but with better goaltending. The Hawks will be beaten by a good defensive team that can score.

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  27. It is a proven fact Mr. Bettman that Canadians love hockey and would support another NHL team in Cana Da! Give us back our game and another team, life is not always about money just ask the hockey fans of Winnipeg and Quebec!
    -Puck an' rights-

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  28. Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey Hey
    Good Bye!
    Good Bye Canucks...or should I say
    the Cannots!
    -Walter T. Franklin-

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  29. Hello, Mr. Peter Puck.

    There is something to be said for having some clubs that are in smaller markets (smaller major metropolitan areas) where the sport is number one in popularity.

    Minimally, a team should make a profit and I am not against revenue sharing. It is good to have smaller markets that can succeed as potential championship clubs for the sake of a league not just dominated by larger areas (New York, Los Angeles, Chicago).

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  30. Vancouver Cannots, yes I have heard that one before.

    I am sure they tried very hard, but for their level of popularity and the support the franchise receives, they should have delivered Stanley Cups by now.

    As well, it smells that for the sake of propping up the game in much of America that we have an entry draft system rather than European style (as with soccer) academies for young developing players.

    If the Canucks could develop a decent portion of British Columbia players they would win Championships.

    Cheers.

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  31. Russ,

    'Some people want to prove God's existence in a Science lab, or else they will not believe in Him. However, I suspect that, even if we did prove God's existence in a Science lab, I think unbelievers would continue to reject Him, and come up with excuses for continuing in their unbelief.'

    As Jesus said in Luke 16:31 "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "

    Larry E.

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  32. Thanks for the comments, much appreciated.

    By the way, I placed my God cannot ride a bicycle presentation within my PhD revisions.:) It is shorter than the blog presentation and with many more citations.

    Agreed, Larry.

    A person must be called and regenerated by a choice of God (Ephesians 1, Romans 8) to with significant freedom believe and trust in Christ.

    Scientific proof of the non-physical God would not in itself bring about belief.

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  33. *head explodes* If I am reading this correctly, I agree. I also agree with what PCGuyIV said. Faith is not possible without some room for doubt. I think doubt can very very useful because it shows that a person is confronting hard issues in their faith and growing and it often spurs them onto further investigation.

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