Thursday, March 07, 2013

Theodicy Models

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Theodicy Models

Very slight revisions for a posting on academia.edu, April 28, 2023

Theodicy Models from my PhD. A model of God's divine justice was understood from a European, Dutch perspective as a retaliation model.

Vermeer explains that his three theodicy items are models and not symbols, because they represent abstract distinct theoretical concepts, as opposed to straight forward statements associated with certain theodicy ideas.[1]  As noted earlier, in contrast, van der Ven states there is no difference between theodicy symbols and models, and a clear distinction is not found.[2]  Vermeer presents retaliation, plan and compassion models.[3]  He notes that each model contains a different understanding of divine omnipotence and goodness.[4] 

The retaliation model, to Vermeer, answers the question of why people are suffering.[5]  Vermeer appeals heavily to Hick’s critical evaluation of Augustine and Calvin,[6] which has already been reviewed (in my PhD), and views Augustine as the forefather of retaliation thought in regard to the problem of evil.[7]  Vermeer correctly points out that Augustine, with the use of free will theodicy, blames human evil and suffering on free will disobedience to God.[8]  Augustine  writes that divine punishment was allotted to those that freely sinned.[9]  In regard to the suffering of children, Augustine, as does Calvin in the Reformation era, would appeal to original sin to explain why this occurs.[10]  Children, although innocent compared to adults, who reasonably comprehend their sinfulness, would still be corrupt creatures because of original sin and the fall.[11]  Vermeer notes[12] that Calvin, like Augustine, believed human beings freely rebelled in evil against God,[13] and thus all persons were worthy of divine punishment, the full extent of this only avoidable through election to salvation.[14]  For Vermeer, the retaliation model uses the ‘doctrine of divine omnipotence’ which states that God is all powerful and yet human suffering is attributed to human sin.[15]  So ultimately people receive what they deserve and are fully punished for their sins outside of God’s grace in election.[16]  Vermeer, unlike Hick,[17] admits the retaliation model can be reasonably upheld without the justice and goodness of God being questioned.[18] 

The plan model consists of the assumption that human suffering is part of the divine plan.[19]  Vermeer portrays the plan model as stating human rebellion causes evil and suffering, and although it opposes God, suffering is ultimately part of God’s divine plan.[20]  The plan model, like the retaliation model, holds to the doctrine of divine omnipotence, but according to the concepts of Leibniz,[21] and especially Hick,[22] as we have seen God uses suffering for the purpose of soul-making.[23]  Vermeer points out that with the retaliation model, divine punishment results in suffering,[24] in contrast with the plan model where suffering is part of God’s scheme as God created the best possible world where free will creatures would inevitably sin.[25]  For the plan model, for Vermeer, God’s goodness could not be questioned as the problem of evil was all part of a divine plan.[26]

This differentiation presented between the retaliation and plan models seems too simplistic.[27]  It is apparent that the writings of Augustine and Calvin both include the concept of God saving the elect from sin while, at the same time, judging humanity for it.[28]  Augustine (398-399)(1992) describes God’s plan for those in Christ that are, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, justified, separated from the wicked, subjected to the authority of Scripture, and gathered together for a single aspiration of acquiring the celestial reward.[29]  This commentary by Augustine, portrays a divine plan of God to save followers from the evil and suffering in creation.[30]  Calvin (1543)(1996) explains that God can take the wicked actions of people, yet still accomplish his work and execute his judgment.[31]  Within that statement, one can see a judgment or retaliation model, and at the same time God is accomplishing his work concerning humanity which is implying a plan model.[32]  Calvin writes, in the same text, that God does a work of perseverance in a believer, so by grace the believer stays in Christ for life.[33]  God’s work of perseverance in elected individuals[34] is clearly not retaliation, but a divine plan to save sinful persons despite the fact they are worthy of punishment.[35]  Instead, the atoning and resurrection work of Christ allows the elect to avoid the penalty for sin, being part of the divine plan of salvation.[36] 

The compassion model, for Vermeer, has been largely rejected throughout Christian history, although in the twentieth century it gathered some support.[37]  The concept is that God has compassion for human beings and does not focus on retaliation or plan ideas.[38]  As with van der Ven’s symbols,[39] the notion of God’s impassibility is discussed in regard to a compassion model.[40]  Vermeer correctly points out that there exists in Scripture, anthropomorphic language[41]  to describe God as one who, like the human beings he created, has feelings and emotions.[42]  The fact God is a loving being would allow for the logical and reasonable deduction that he is a compassionate being.[43]

A vital point Vermeer makes concerning the compassion model is that it asks how God responds to human suffering,[44] while the retaliation and plan models are more concerned with why God permits evil and suffering.[45]  The compassion model envisions a God that is immanent within his creation,[46] the emphasis on the creator as a God of love, leads to this conclusion.[47]  Within the compassion model, the ‘doctrine of divine goodness’ clearly takes precedence over the doctrine of divine omnipotence.[48]  Theologically and Biblically, the compassion model is a vital aspect of the atoning work of Christ, and therefore would be important for Christian theodicy.[49]  Christ as God renounced his privileges and experienced an agonizing death on the cross.[50]  For Christ as the God-man, to renounce his rights as God and die for the humanity he loves, definitely shows compassion[51] as does God’s participation in the death[52] and resurrection of Christ.  A compassion theodicy symbol or model is therefore acceptable within orthodox Christianity,[53] although I believe judgment and plan are vital theodicy concepts.[54]

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[1] Vermeer (1999: 18). 
[2] van der Ven (2006b: 1).
[3] Vermeer (1999: 21).
[4] Vermeer (1999: 21).
[5] Vermeer (1999: 22).
[6] Hick (1970: 221). 
[7] Vermeer (1999: 22).
[8] Vermeer (1999: 22).  Augustine (388-395)(1964: 3).
[9] Augustine (388-395)(1964: 3).
[10] Vermeer (1999: 25).
[11] Vermeer (1999: 25).
[12] Vermeer (1999: 26).
[13] Calvin (1543)(1998: 37).  Augustine (388-395)(1964: 116-117).
[14] Calvin (1543)(1996: 154, 349).
[15] Vermeer (1999: 27).
[16] Vermeer (1999: 27).
[17] In regard to everlasting hell, for example.  Hick (1970: 377).
[18] Vermeer (1999: 26).
[19] Vermeer (1999: 27).
[20] Vermeer (1999: 33).
[21] Leibniz reasons that God works all things to the greater good.  Leibniz (1710)(1998: 61).  This could perhaps include the idea God would develop in the best possible world, as Leibniz viewed it, human souls.
[22] Hick in Davis (2001: 48).
[23] Vermeer (1999: 34-35).
[24] Vermeer (1999: 27).
[25] Vermeer (1999: 30).
[26] Vermeer (1999: 36).
[27] Vermeer (1999: 35).
[28] Augustine (398-399)(1992: 303).  Calvin (1543)(1996: 37, 178-179). 
[29] Augustine (398-399)(1992: 303).
[30] Augustine (398-399)(1992: 303).
[31] Calvin (1543)(1996: 37).
[32] Calvin (1543)(1996: 37).
[33] Calvin (1543)(1996: 178-179).
[34] Calvin (1543)(1996: 178-179).
[35] Calvin (1543)(1996: 37).
[36] Augustine (398-399)(1992: 303).  Calvin (1543)(1996: 37, 178-179). 
[37] Vermeer (1999: 36).
[38] Vermeer (1999: 36).
[39] van der Ven (1998: 212).
[40] Vermeer (1999: 36).
[41] A figure of speech used in Scripture that describes God with human physical characteristics.  Grenz, Guretzki, and Nordling (1999: 11).  Anthropomorphisms are Biblical attempts to express realities about God through human analogy.  Erickson (1994: 268).
[42] Vermeer (1999: 37).
[43] Pailin (1999: 469).
[44] Vermeer (1999: 38).
[45] Vermeer (1999: 38).
[46] Vermeer (1999: 44).
[47] Vermeer (1999: 44).
[48] Vermeer (1999: 45).
[49] Moltmann (1993: 226-227).
[50] Moltmann (1993: 226-227).
[51] Moltmann (1993: 226-227).
[52] Moltmann (1993: 226-227).
[53] Vermeer (1999: 45).
[54] van der Ven (1993: 173).  van der Ven (1998: 212-213).  Augustine (398-399)(1992: 303).  Calvin (1543)(1996: 37, 178-179).  

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Sunday, March 03, 2013

Luke 13:1-5 Brief

Wicklow, Ireland
Luke 13:1-5 Brief

Edited June 22-23, 2022 for an academia.edu entry

Photo: Wicklow, Ireland (trekearth.com)

My friend and website link, Timothy, from West Virginia, posted an interesting article late 2012, which I commented on in 2013. His website link is now dead in 2022.

Evil and Suffering

My website comment, in-part, was on the audio message by Dr. James White, 'Responding to Evil and Suffering' . I stated: 'I think James White is one of the more enlightened theologians today.'

I reason that this was the video that we discussed in 2013. Included.

 

In reviewing the White video, in regard to the problem of evil and problems of evil and suffering, I would agree that a major difficulty with the public is a lack of related education. I would also add to what was stated in that the lack of knowledge in Theology, Philosophy and Philosophy of Religion, is what leads to in-part the emotional reactions to evil that he mentioned. This is ignorance, as well as, universal sinful nature.

Looking at my MPhil and PhD survey results and how important Reformed doctrines were rejected by those within the cultural Christian Church. How much more they would be rejected by the general public. Yes, God wills, directly or indirectly (allows) what occurs, or from the more traditional Reformed theology, this is described in the language of decrees.

Saturday, September 19, 2020 PhD Full Version PDF: Theodicy and Practical Theology 2010, Wales TSD

Worldview education is absolutely needed at this point. I have pointed out many times on my website work that in regard to the problem of evil and theodicy, persons are finite (and sinful) and as within the Hebrew Bible, Job text, this makes judging God impossible to do accurately.

In the audio presentation by James White, Luke 13 is cited as an example of Jesus Christ discussing the universal sinfulness of human kind:

Luke 13: 1-5 New American Standard Bible 

13

Now on the same occasion there were some present who reported to Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had [a]mixed with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? 3 I tell you, no, but unless you [b]repent, you will all likewise perish. 4 Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse [c]culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

Luke 13: 1-5 English Standard Version Bible 

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There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? 3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? 5 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

Porter in his Luke commentary, explains the hearers of these events seemed to view the sufferers of these events as persons of exceptional wickedness and evil and this why God allowed this evil and suffering to occur to them. A view similar to that of Job's friends in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament.  And a view sometimes taken by the disciples. Porter (1986: 1210).

Jesus Christ rejects this understanding and instead states that the hearers need to repent or they too will perish. Porter (1986: 1210).

Matthew Henry-Luke 13

From Matthew Henry's Luke commentary:

'3. On these stories he founded a call to repentance, adding to each of them this awakening word, Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish, Luke 13:3-5.

(1.) This intimates that we all deserve to perish as much as they did, and had we been dealt with according to our sins, according to the iniquity of our holy things, our blood had been long ere this mingled with our sacrifices by the justice of God. It must moderate our censure, not only that we are sinners, but that we are as great sinners as they, have as much sin to repent of as they had to suffer for.

(2.) That therefore we are all concerned to repent, to be sorry for what we have done amiss, and to do so no more. The judgments of God upon others are loud calls to us to repent. See how Christ improved every thing for the pressing of that great duty which he came not only to gain room for, and give hopes to, but to enjoin upon us--and that is, to repent.

(3.) That repentance is the way to escape perishing, and it is a sure way: so iniquity shall not be your ruin, but upon no other terms.

(4.) That, if we repent not, we shall certainly perish, as others have done before us. Some lay an emphasis upon the word likewise, and apply it to the destruction that was coming upon the people of the Jews, and particularly upon Jerusalem, who were destroyed by the Romans at the time of their passover, and so, like the Galileans, they had their blood mingled with their sacrifices and many of them, both in Jerusalem and in other places, were destroyed by the fall of walls and buildings which were battered down about their ears, as those that died by the fall of the tower of Siloam. But certainly it looks further except we repent, we shall perish eternally, as they perished out of this world. The same Jesus that calls us to repent because the kingdom of heaven is at hand, bids us repent because otherwise we shall perish so that he has set before us life and death, good and evil, and put us to our choice.

(5.) The perishing of those in their impenitency who have been most harsh and severe in judging others will be in a particular manner aggravated.'

Porter makes reasonable points. Christ was definitely and definitively in disagreement with the hearers and was pointing out the universal sinfulness of humanity and the need for repentance.

With Henry (1) does not demonstrate that a greater suffering in death demonstrates greater sinfulness by the persons involved.

In regard to (2) because all persons are sinful universally (Genesis, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Hebrews as examples) there would be a need for universal repentance by persons involved. At the time Christ spoke this those in the Hebrew faith were awaiting the Messiah and therefore this was stated prior to the atoning work and resurrection of Christ, but it would still be a religion of faith through the grace of God, and not by works (Ephesians 2). I mention universal repentance, but do not hold to universal salvation as only the elect, those chosen in Christ (Ephesians 1, Romans 8) shall be regenerated.

Divine regeneration (John 3, Titus 3, 1 Peter 1) in the gospel work of Jesus Christ, through his applied atoning and resurrection work being required in order for biblical, human repentance to take place.

Certain types of perishing can be avoided (3), through repentance and the Lord meant what was stated.

But on the other hand because the resurrection work is not completed in this life (1 Corinthians 15) all persons do physically perish because of death. In his audio presentation, James White, in my view correctly states that God can therefore justly because of the fall of Genesis 3 take a person. God's commandment to not kill is a reflection of his character and morality, however, God being perfectly holy has the right to kill a sinful human being because of sin.

There is also a philosophical/theological issue to ponder on whether or not the infinite God that exists by necessity would also have the moral right to destroy his finite creatures that do not exist by necessity, if he so wished. Human beings and finite creatures instead being contingent. I reason that God would have that right, as alone being necessary/of necessity. But in love he chooses not to, having an eternal plan for them. 

As I stated in person many times God can justly take the life of a human being from embryo to elderly, in light of Genesis 3 and the fall/sinful nature.

I reason (4) is probably a strong reasonable candidate as an accurate understanding, in that the Temple did fall in Jerusalem in AD 70, and the same fate could befall many of the listeners too if they did not repent. This point (4) seems to make very good sense if tied to (3) as in something that can be avoided, as in to not perish with the Temple within that type of  Hebrew belief system but to have repented in Christ.

Point (5) is speculative in nature, and I will leave that sort of judgment up to God.
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