Tuesday, September 01, 2009
Niceness does not equal goodness
Waikiki, Hawaii (photo from trekearth.com)
From my MPhil of 2003, and once again I am using British English.
MPhil
C.S. Lewis
5. Human Wickedness
Within this chapter, Lewis set out to show the reader that the western culture of his day (1940) had a misunderstanding of human wickedness. He stated that his culture put too much emphasis on kindness being the measure of good, and cruelty the measure of wickedness. Lewis pointed out that this kindness was based on the fact that: "Everyone feels benevolent if nothing happens to be annoying him at the moment." Lewis (1940)(1996: 49).
This is a good point, kindness or niceness is certainly not a measure of goodness. Being nice is a way of dealing with people which is most pleasurable, beneficial and brings about, generally, the most pleasurable and beneficial response. However, someone can be nice with evil intentions, an example would be Judas betraying Jesus with a kiss, or someone can act in unkind fashion but mean something for the good. For example, a Doctor re-broke my nose twice by hand without anaesthetic, after I had been assaulted by a bottle attack. This was cruel treatment and it caused me pain. The first attempt caused blood to pour out, however, the treatment straightened my nose and allowed me to look and breath better while lying down, providing me a better night’s sleep.
As well, kindness or niceness, as Lewis alluded to, often disappears when someone is annoyed. This hardly needs much explanation as we can relate to this with ourselves and others we know. I would think true goodness is an objective standard based on one emulating God, and thus one would be good to others regardless of circumstance. Lewis also stated that human beings needed to better understand that they were sinful and that Christ and Scripture saw them as so.
He noted that a human being could misunderstand wickedness by comparing oneself with someone else, and making a favourable review. Lewis pointed out that: "Every man, not very holy or very arrogant, has to ‘live up to’ the outward appearance of other men." Lewis (1940)(1996: 53). The reviewer is not fully aware of the sins of the people under review, and at the same time, within public persona, is hiding from the world around him/her, the depth of wickedness within.
Lewis thought that people tend to desire to see wickedness in the sense of corporate guilt. He believed that this was, in a way, evading the problems of individual sin. He noted: "When we have really learned to know our individual corruption, then indeed we go on to think about corporate guilt and can hardly think of it too much." Lewis (1940)(1996: 54).
Yes, it seems rather easy for individuals to allow social systems to do wicked things, and thus have the blame for evil shifted to it. However, Lewis has a point, individuals must take responsibility for thoughts and actions, clean up their own act, and then set out to change systems, if possible.
Lewis, C.S. (1940)(1996) The Problem of Pain, San Francisco, Harper-Collins.
Note: I had to have both my nose and teeth redone here in Canada!
As well, I reason as Christians even as we emulate God's goodness, sin will still taint our actions until our death and freedom from this realm.
Maps with agendas.:)
Someone's idea of an American map of the world.
A different perspective on a map of the world. From Oceania perhaps?
Ljubljana, Slovenia (photo from trekearth.com)
These are experimental photographs taken with my new Blackberry Curve. The cell phone shall be used in my eventual job search.
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ReplyDeleteRuss,
ReplyDeleteI assume, but can't say for certain, that you have 'political correctness" in Canada. Among other things, it forces a facade of "niceness" on us, whether we are nice or not. As do so-called "hate laws". Personally I'd rather know if a person hates me or has nasty names for me or harbors dark thoughts about me and not having it cloaked. I don't trust bottled up hatred and wickedness dressed in pretty clothes.
Larry E.
Thank you, Larry.
ReplyDeletePersonally, although I have much interest in being sensitive to others, I have no interest in being politically correct.
I was pondering a statement from Anselm of Canterbury when you made your post:
ReplyDelete"You (God) would, in fact, be less good if You were not beneficent to any wicked man. For he who is good to both good and wicked is better than he who is good only to the good. And he who is good to the wicked by not punishing and sparing them is better than he who is good to the wicked only by punishing them." - Proslogion chapter 9.
Somehow I am not quite comfortable with Anselm's reasoning, but it does seem to parallel what you wrote regarding C.S. Lewis.
Thanks, Looney.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I agree with some of the ideas of C.S. Lewis, a major difference between Lewis and I is that I am Reformed in my thinking and he was Anglican.
Various things happen to persons within this fallen creation.
I reason God remains good no matter what occurs.
As well, I do reason that in a sense God loves all of humanity, although God loves those he chooses for salvation (Ephesians 1 and Romans 8) more.
As I see it, the Bible defines "good" as an inherent "rightness of being". This is why, I think, the Bible can say that God is good but that, with regard to humanity, there is "none that is good, no not one". God is always and completely who He is without respect to sin, while "man" is, at this time in redemptive history, always who he is with respect to sin. Even as those who've been "born again", we don't always manifest "goodness" because even though we've been delivered from the curse in principle, we haven't yet been perfected, so sin is still present in our practice. And even in our acts of "goodness", there is still some residue of sin (reciprocity, perhaps?) that taints it.
ReplyDeleteUntil the consummation, we can never be "good" in full as God is always "good" in full. Goodness is a character trait more than an "act" (because "good acts" can be performed by anyone) , and until our character is fully conformed to Christ we simply don't attain to the fulness of "goodness".
I love the "American" maps. We "American Evangelicals" here in "Christian America" (God's country) are so full of ourselves we sometimes forget that God's Kingdom includes people from other nations...even Canada! :-)
GGM
'As I see it, the Bible defines "good" as an inherent "rightness of being". This is why, I think, the Bible can say that God is good but that, with regard to humanity, there is "none that is good, no not one". God is always and completely who He is without respect to sin, while "man" is, at this time in redemptive history, always who he is with respect to sin.'
ReplyDeleteWell stated (as I listen to my most newly created Mahavishnu Orchestra bootleg email alerts).
'Even as those who've been "born again", we don't always manifest "goodness" because even though we've been delivered from the curse in principle, we haven't yet been perfected, so sin is still present in our practice. And even in our acts of "goodness", there is still some residue of sin (reciprocity, perhaps?) that taints it.'
This is where we agree with our Reformed and Biblical perspectives, but sadly I come across the odd Christian blog that reasons that Christians do not sin on a daily basis.
I reason that this theology misunderstands the human sinful condition within this realm, prior to the believer's spirit departing for the sinless realm of paradise and the eventual new heaven and earth with resurrected saints.
Good comments on maps. I saw some other Canadian ones with funny material online, but they were too profane to publish here.
Russ:)
oh funny... I'm so distracted by those maps. The "upside down" map is my personal favourite - I've spent so much time lately trying to explain to my 7-year-old geography-oriented son that the North Pole is only the top of the world if North inherently equals 'top...' He's not convinced. But it puts our home on the southern end of the Australian continent up near the top! :-)
ReplyDeleteI also agree - niceness does not equal goodness... I'm also entertained by the 'British English' thought. Colour should be spelt with a 'u,' after all! :-D
Most Australians don't seem to know how to spell anymore. I read a string of US-published books a year or two back and suddenly found that I was getting my spelling all mangled. I've ended up buying an NIV 'Anglicised' Bible (with an 's' not a 'z'), and going back to reading more UK English books. The spelling issue was adversely affecting my uni assignments.
'The spelling issue was adversely affecting my uni assignments.'
ReplyDeleteWith my MPhil especially I was very strict in using British English and not American for the sake of consistency.
With my PhD I am using British and Canadian English and it seems to work and no reviewer has complained. I use Canadian and British English mainly for my blogs.
Thanks, I like the maps too.:) I hope to visit Australia and New Zealand within a few years.
Well... I've heard plenty of nice things about New Zealand! My mum went there a few years back for the Lord of the Rings festivities and loved it :-)
ReplyDeleteObviously my biased mind loves Australia :)
I would not see New Zealand without also seeing Australia, although I realize that they are still separated by quite a bit of the Pacific Ocean.;)
ReplyDeleteI have tried reading CS lewis's books, for some reason I just cannot read his books, they do nothing for me.
ReplyDeletethe only book by him I was able to finish and enjoyed was, the great divorce. Good article. Rick b
Good points, Rick.
ReplyDeleteFor learning about theology there are other writers I would more highly recommend, and they have helped me greatly, such as Feinberg, Erickson, Calvin and Edwards.
Cheers, Rick.
I just like the way the "upside-down" map reminds me how getting a different perspective on something can help us to see things we didn't before, like turning the Boggle tray 90 degrees and seeing different words.
ReplyDeleteI think we can get too used to seeing things from one perspective.
Wise words, Saint Chucklins.
ReplyDeleteThank you, sir.
I like the maps...not going to say which i like better though!! :() I fully agree "niceness does not equal goodness" Being nice is something we do but goodness is more about who we are...boy i wish i could be nice & good all the time...what a day that will be when we are changed & become like Him...GOOD...in every way!!
ReplyDelete'Being nice is something we do but goodness is more about who we are...'
ReplyDeleteReasonable point, and thanks Sherry. And we can be good to people too of course.
Of course we can...but being good is more about who we are & it naturally flows from deep within where being nice is something we do & should flow from the goodness that dwells within but sometimes flows from selfish motives & desires & therefore niceness does not equal goodness but goodness can also show itself in not so plasant & nice manner as when tough love is imparted!! Remember Jesus in the temple shouting "you brood of hypocrites...you vipers ect...well that did not seem nice...but he is without sin so i like to think that out of the goodness of His heart He acted in this manner AND it was good!! What do u think??
ReplyDelete'Of course we can...but being good is more about who we are & it naturally flows from deep within where being nice is something we do & should flow from the goodness that dwells within but sometimes...'
ReplyDeleteI think goodness is both a condition (nature as well, but only in a pure sense in God and the angels without sin) and can be an act, as in an act of goodness.
We do not disagree I reason.
Sometimes it is good not be nice.
Cheers.:)
A very good article on niceness and reasons for being nice. I want to be nice to people all the time even when they are not so nice to me, now that's Godliness and a very good quality to have in one's life. Thanks for the reminder of a very simplistic yet important truth to the character of God which should be practiced by humanity.
ReplyDelete-Nicely Done-
I need to be good to people and hopefully that means I can be nice, most of the time, simultaneously.
ReplyDeleteWe have a big japonese colony in São Paulo. To be there is like to be in Japan.. it's really cool.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the information, Li.
ReplyDeleteRuss:)
Good-old Zidane
ReplyDeleteJimmy, it is from Actua Soccer 3 (1998).
ReplyDeleteCheers.
"Niceness does not equal goodness" basically states what I was pondering earlier. How forceful should we be in standing up for the truth? Paul was pretty bold when he stood before the governor and was slapped, and he stood up for his rights. Jesus called the Pharisees vipers and whitewashed graves. I often wonder how much we should be like a strong lion, vs. how much we should be like a meek lamb. Being wise as a serpent yet gentle as a dove is not always such an easy balance to achieve.
ReplyDeleteWell stated.
ReplyDeleteWe must be tough and love others.:)
Cheers.
"I would not see New Zealand without also seeing Australia, although I realize that they are still separated by quite a bit of the Pacific Ocean.;)"
ReplyDeletehehe yeah I think NZ might be closer to my side of Australia than Western Australia is... :-D
True. I have this idea of driving across Australia...
ReplyDeleteThank you.
Russ:)
CS LEwis is one of my fave writers after I read Screwtape's Letters. It is my dream to one day own his popular Chronicles of Narnia series (book). Anyway, thanks for this post, it made me realized two things: like in your entry, I always associate my niceness to goodness, second, I am never nice when I am in a bad mood. Made me reflect of what kind of a Christian I am, thank you and God bless!
ReplyDeleteThanks very much, Miel.
ReplyDeleteWell stated.
Russ:)
I like C.S Lewis a lot, but he needs to be read very carefully. Much of his language suggests a heterodoxy that I think is unfortunate and unintentional. His material can be very provocative but in a good way, I think.
ReplyDeleteGGM
Via MPhil research:
ReplyDeleteLewis is not a theologian.
Lewis is not Reformed/Calvinist.
Lewis does ponder seriously on Christianity.
Lewis is basically an orthodox Christian apologist I conclude.
Cheers, GGM.
LOL at those maps!! Especially the "United States of Canada" and "Jesus Land" one! Those are hilarious.
ReplyDelete'Gay' man sues Bible publisher for 'mental anguish'
ReplyDelete$10 million sought for 'negative connotation' toward homosexuals
That homosexuality is increasingly accepted by our society doesn't change the Bible's clear interdiction of it.
There absolutely are explicit Bible verses on homosexuality.
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24)
Notice that the latter Bible verses lump in homosexuality with bestiality.
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable." (Leviticus 20:13a)
"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (Romans 1:26-27 - NIV)
"And reducing the cities of the Sodomites, and of the Gomorrhites, into ashes, condemned them to be overthrown, making them an example to those that should after act wickedly." (2 Peter 2:6)
"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 7)
Thanks much, Jeff.:)
ReplyDeleteGreat quote from C.S. Lewis. Reminded my wife of when Jesus said that while even sinners love those who love them back, a true child of God will love even his enemies.
ReplyDeleteLoved the maps!
'Great quote from C.S. Lewis. Reminded my wife of when Jesus said that while even sinners love those who love them back, a true child of God will love even his enemies.'
ReplyDeleteExcellent point, and it is quite a challenge at times.
'Loved the maps!'
Cheers, Greg.
You are a very good writer! I aspire to be as good a writer
ReplyDeleteThanks greatly, Daij.
ReplyDeleteIt is much trial and error, and thanks to God.