Friday, October 25, 2013

J.S. Whale (Wales PhD Edit)

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J.S. Whale (1958) explains that within Protestant thought the Bible represents the whole counsel of God and nothing can be added whether by new revelation or tradition.[1]  Whale, however, correctly warns against the idea of the Bible becoming a law book,[2] and the Scripture needs to stay a historical living word as opposed to a narrow book of rules.[3]  This goes back to Erickson’s point that God’s word, although an unchanging message must be interpreted for each era.[4]   This in no way allows for an overhaul of major, traditional Christian doctrines from traditional and Reformed perspectives,[5] but with the use of practical and empirical approaches there would be opportunities to understand Christian theology in modern terms.  In other words, the very same Biblical doctrines that were given in the contexts of ancient Israel, Europe, Asia, and Africa need to be explained in the contexts of twenty-first century Western civilization, and other societies in the world.  Theological principles would remain the same, but theological application can vary within eras and locations.[6]

Baptism

Whale reasons infant baptism demonstrates that Christ did something for a person, without waiting for human approval.[7]   Rebaptism[8] would never be needed as although baptized Roman Catholics can turn from the faith, if they do turn back to Christ the initial baptism is sufficient.[9]  The sacrament of infant baptism is one of the ‘foundational stones of Church.’[10]  Klein, Blomberg and Hubbard reason it is not Biblically clear what type of baptism should be practiced.[11]  Infant baptism is not taught in Scripture directly,[12] and therefore it can be deduced the same could be stated for the associated concepts of baptismal regeneration with Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Churches.  However, legitimate theological inference leads to concepts of infant baptism, and so there are also historical arguments for baptismal regeneration within the Christian community which includes Catholic,[13]  Eastern Orthodox,[14]  and even in some cases Presbyterian,[15] Lutheran and Episcopal.[16]

Resurrection

Whale writes that the resurrection is not to be considered an addition to the Christian faith, but is the Christian faith.[17]

Transcendence

Whale explains transcendence makes God inaccessible and unknowable to finite creatures.[18]   For Whale, Christ revealed the nature of the transcendent God in his life and ministry.[19] Whale also writes that unless God reveals himself in history, God remains in a mysterious depth of infinitude, inaccessible and unknowable.[20]  God has bridged the divide between himself and humanity in history.[21] 

Expiation

Whale writes that expiation means God himself purges or covers human sin.[22]  To state that Christ expiates sin[23] means that his atoning work enables God to forgive sins[24] and gradually, and eventually, purge sinfulness out of obedient followers.[25]   

Cosmology

Whale writes that cosmology is looking at the cosmos and visible universe from a theistic perspective denying that it is self-explanatory.[26] 
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CALVIN, JOHN (1539)(1998) The Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book II, Translated by Henry Beveridge, Grand Rapids, The Christian Classic Ethereal Library, Wheaton College.

ERICKSON, MILLARD (1994) Christian Theology, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House.

ERICKSON, MILLARD (2003) What Does God Know and When Does He Know It?  Grand Rapids, Zondervan. 

KAVANAGH, AIDAN (1999) ‘Initiation, Christian’,  in Alan Richardson and John Bowden (eds.), A New Dictionary of Christian Theology, Kent, SCM Press Ltd. 

KLEIN, WILLIAM W., CRAIG, C. BLOMBERG, AND ROBERT L. HUBBARD, JR. (1993) Introduction to Biblical Interpretation, London, Word Publishing. 

WHALE, J.S. (1958) Christian Doctrine, Glasgow, Fontana Books. 

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  2. I was baptized as an infant in a Lutheran church, but, after I got saved at age 19, I was baptized at a Baptist church by immersion, which represented my dying and being buried together with Christ and being reborn or resurrected with Him into new life, as a new creature/creation, regenerated in Him.

    Being 'sprinkled' hardly represents being buried and resurrected.

    "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:4)

    Again, you can't be "buried" by a few drops on your head:

    "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." (Colossians 2:12)

    If sprinkling was biblical, then there would be no need for there to be much water.

    "And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized." (John 3:23)

    The eunuch went down into the water. That sounds like immersion to me.

    "And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him." (Acts 8:38)

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  3. 'Being 'sprinkled' hardly represents being buried and resurrected.'

    I think some Presbyterians and like could argue that since the baptism verses are using figurative language and metaphor that being fully immersed would not be literally buried either, as one could still come up, unlike someone that is buried in a coffin that is covered on the top and cannot come up.

    My former PCA pastor stated the New Testament is not clear on the exact mode of baptism that Jesus himself received. This is may be technically true, however, being baptized in the Jordan River and 'coming up out of the water' Mark: 1:10, implies immersion in my opinion, although I suppose sprinkling is a possibility, not likely.

    As far as practice, I have indicated on several occasions that I reason Beliver's Baptism has the most Biblical support, and direct support unlike infant baptism, most notably Matthew 28. It indicates the baptizing of disciples, which I reason is mainly adults, could be mature children, but is not infants.

    An infant is a potential disciple in my view.

    That being stated, disciples of the Apostles, Irenaeus and Origen did practice infant baptism.

    'G.W. Bromiley, who as of 1996 was Senior Professor of Church History and Historical Theology at Fuller Theological Seminary, explains that in early church history those such as Irenaeus and Origen, who were close to the apostles, were involved in baptizing children of professing believers. Bromiley (1996: 116).'

    Further practicalities, Jeff.

    Living in Florida and most of the US, moderate often warmer weather is reasonably expected and therefore full immersion in a body of water or swimming pool, reasonable.

    However, culturally, even here in Metro Vancouver full immersion is often quite impractical because of the weather, and so for our church outside of Summer and Spring when an adult requires Believer's Baptism and as we do not have a tank, sprinkling is done.

    I reason this is a valid and legitimate Biblical baptism.

    What about Christians in Iceland or the North Pole/South Pole where there may not be a large body of water readily available? I do not think that Believer's Baptism should be avoided.

    Similar possibilities exist in desert cultures.

    This is example of Whale/Erickson as in theological adaption to culture without being non-Biblical.

    Thanks, sir.

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    10.. Lou Duva, veteran boxing trainer, on the Spartan training regimen of heavyweight Andrew Golota:
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    11.. Chuck Nevitt , North Carolina State basketball player, explaining to Coach Jim Valvano why he appeared nervous at practice:
    "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I'm going to be an uncle or an aunt.”



    12.. Frank Layden, Utah Jazz president, on a former player:
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    13.. Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M, recounting what he told a player who received four F's and one D:
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  33. I think some Presbyterians and like could argue that since the baptism verses are using figurative language and metaphor that being fully immersed would not be literally buried either, as one could still come up, unlike someone that is buried in a coffin that is covered on the top and cannot come up.

    That sounds completely ridiculous to me, because the "coming up" part represents resurrection, so that argument makes absolutely no sense to me.

    However, culturally, even here in Metro Vancouver full immersion is often quite impractical because of the weather, and so for our church outside of Summer and Spring when an adult requires Believer's Baptism and as we do not have a tank, sprinkling is done.

    Similar possibilities exist in desert cultures.

    I should think that, if necessary, waiting until Summer or Spring should be generally acceptable. After all, if the saved person dies before then, they are still going to Heaven, even though they have not been baptized yet. So it's not like it's a life-or-death immediate emergency. It was a couple or so years after I got saved before I was baptized by believer's baptism.

    The Lutheran and similar churches in Florida do practice sprinkling, of course, and pretty much every Baptist church I have seen has a baptismal tank. They do sometimes do baptisms at outside pools, lakes or the ocean here in Florida, but most often, in Baptist churches, it is indoors. They have even used blow-up pools at times, though not often. If the church is in some desert, or some place where a body of water is simply not available, I suppose theoretically they could use sprinkling, but the New Testament was in desert regions, so even they found places to baptize by immersion, the way I see it. I don't think baptism by sprinkling is a sin, but I do think immersion is biblically correct. However, some churches I have been to (i.e., Lutheran and Episcopal) have taught that the baby is regenerated and has now become a child of God and part of God's family and the invisible Church, simply because a few drops of water have been sprinkled on his/her head, and this is most definitely false doctrine and heresy. If water saved you, then a person could get saved by taking a shower!

    For babies, I believe dedicating the child to God is certainly acceptable and a good thing (which, I believe, is mostly for the parents' sake, for them to make a commitment to train the child in biblical doctrine and present the gospel to them, as well as being a good example to the child), but not baptism.

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  34. 'That sounds completely ridiculous to me, because the "coming up" part represents resurrection, so that argument makes absolutely no sense to me.'

    They would not see it as necessarily the resurrection motif I deduce, but would view adult/believing baptism as being in the covenant of Christ which includes atonement/resurrection.

    I do not see it as unreasonable as a point, although I hold to Believer's Baptism and was immersed.

    Personally if someone is sprinkled with Believer's Baptism I view it as valid. I also view infant baptism as valid for those that are in Christ and view it as their sign of being in the covenant as adults or mature youth. Their parents did it on their behalf and they live in it.

    To be re-baptized seems debatable as necessary, to be honest.

    I was christened at a United Church and thought the church was apostate, so I followed the best supported Biblical model.

    I personally doubt since there is some ambiguity with the Biblical record with theology and Church history that it is a primary issue.

    In the middle ages when it was determinate of following Christ in good conscience or following the Church/State, it was a primary issue. That is the root of many of the contemporary divisions with denominations.

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