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With John
Hick’s work on Soul-Making Theodicy, his approach to Scripture is to look at
much of it metaphorically.[1] Although his theodicy does have some merit, I
reason by not looking at Scripture contextually, and instead assuming that it
is not to be taken literally as metaphor in many cases,[2]
his theodicy becomes hyper-speculative.[3] I am not a fundamentalist, and do not reason
Scripture should at every point be read plain literally,[4]
but where contexts suggests,[5]
Scripture should be read within the genre intended which could include
figurative language.[6] I reason that the Reformed approach to
reading Scripture in context is more beneficial to producing a realistic
functional theodicy,[7]
than is Hick’s approach.[8] This should not be interpreted as a complete
dismissal of soul-making[9]
or related soul-building concepts, as I view this as a reasonable concept
within Hick’s approach.[10]
November 1,
2014
The theological concept of Scripture being literally the supernaturally revealed word of God, not intended as fictional metaphor to be later reinterpreted is essential. From the October 30 Briefing of Albert Mohler. Dr. Mohler quotes the ‘Time’ article from October 28, 2014 ‘What Christianity Without Hell Looks Like’.
Time October 28
Cited
‘The idea that the Bible declares hell a real and literal place is no more valid than the toxic lie that the Bible condemns homosexuality.’
Cited
‘The idea that the Bible declares hell a real and literal place is no more valid than the toxic lie that the Bible condemns homosexuality.’
Yet the idea that
hell is real persists. Why? Because over the centuries those in positions of
power within the institutions of Christianity have methodically, relentlessly,
and with great art used the doctrine of hell to exploit the innate fear of
death that is harbored by one and all.
Show
me a Christian terrified of hell, and I’ll show you a Christian ready to pay
good money for the assurance that he is not going there.
If you don’t think the “doctrine” of hell is about the accrual of money and power, then God bless your naiveté.’
If you don’t think the “doctrine” of hell is about the accrual of money and power, then God bless your naiveté.’
End citation
However, a naiveté of
Scripture in context is being demonstrated here.
Even if verses in regard to
hell and everlasting punishment are not taken plain literally because of the
use of figurative literal language, they are still describing a literal place
of everlasting suffering for those outside of Christ, although in a different realm. A fictional, metaphorical
abode is not under discussion.
Crockett’s view below
is not a metaphorical view as in mythological in Hick’s sense, but rather metaphorical as in a figurative literal view of hell.
William
V. Crockett suggests that his view is similar to that of John Calvin, and that
eternal fire texts are better understood metaphorically. Crockett pointed out
that metaphorical language was used throughout the New Testament, for example,
heaven as a city was described in first century terms, a city surrounded by
walls and gates.
Today that type of metaphorical language would be obsolete. Crockett also pointed out that hell is described in places like Matthew 8:12, 2 Peter 2:17, and Jude 14 as a place of darkness. So if it were a literally fiery hell, it would not be a place of darkness. Crockett believes that hell is a place of everlasting punishment, but that it is described metaphorically in the New Testament. Crockett noted that Hades is a temporary resting place for the unsaved, until they are thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is Gehenna.
Today that type of metaphorical language would be obsolete. Crockett also pointed out that hell is described in places like Matthew 8:12, 2 Peter 2:17, and Jude 14 as a place of darkness. So if it were a literally fiery hell, it would not be a place of darkness. Crockett believes that hell is a place of everlasting punishment, but that it is described metaphorically in the New Testament. Crockett noted that Hades is a temporary resting place for the unsaved, until they are thrown into the Lake of Fire, which is Gehenna.
It should also be
pointed out as I have previously on my blogs that Christ is infinite God and
perfect man, perfectly righteous and outlasted and covered finite and everlasting sin
against the infinite God in the atonement.
Only he could serve as a suitable
atonement for human sin.
Sin against God is
not infinite because it had a beginning, but it is everlasting. Theologically
and philosophically, only God is infinite having no beginning and no ending.
No finite, morally
imperfect, unrighteous, human being could atone for his or her sin. Certainly not in any complete sense.
This would be true for
any amount of time because the everlasting sin is against an infinite God and
would not be covered.
Therefore, in
justice, everlasting hell is just punishment for sin.
If annihilation took
place, in order for it to be just, the atonement of Christ would have to
universally cover each person, even the non-chosen, non-elect (Ephesians 1,
Romans 8).
I do not see this as a clearly defined Biblical doctrine.
In regard to
homosexuality, one can review it from a plain English reading or from the original
Hebrew or Greek with lexicons to see that it is condemned, arsenokoitai.
Sodomites
The context of sodomites being within homosexuality.
Those being mentioned in 1 Corinthians 6:9 among those that will not inherit the Kingdom of God, along with fornicators, idolaters, adulterers and effeminate by perversion (according to the New American Standard Version).Sodomites
The context of sodomites being within homosexuality.
Romans 1 explains homosexual activity as unnatural.
I am not stating that by 21st Century standards this makes homosexual persons the worst sinners or anything like. From a Biblical, Reformed perspective, in Romans 3 in particular it becomes clear that all persons have a sinful nature and are apart from God’s righteousness. The solution is the righteousness of Christ and the atoning and resurrection work of the Gospel as can be seen in Romans 4-5 and throughout the text.
I am not stating that by 21st Century standards this makes homosexual persons the worst sinners or anything like. From a Biblical, Reformed perspective, in Romans 3 in particular it becomes clear that all persons have a sinful nature and are apart from God’s righteousness. The solution is the righteousness of Christ and the atoning and resurrection work of the Gospel as can be seen in Romans 4-5 and throughout the text.
Practically and
personally speaking, therefore, I do not create a special worse sinfulness category for
my LGBT and related non-Christian readers and friends which I admit sadly is
sometimes is done within fundamentalist and evangelical Christianity.
Rather according to
Romans, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3: 23),
including me. All would be in need of the atoning and resurrection work of
Christ for salvation.
Within this salvation repentance needs to occur.
As an academic, philosopher and theologian, objectively as possible, no one having complete objectivity, I am attempting to state what the Scripture states.
Reinterpretation does not allow that to take place.
As an academic, philosopher and theologian, objectively as possible, no one having complete objectivity, I am attempting to state what the Scripture states.
Reinterpretation does not allow that to take place.
FRETHEIM,
TERENCE E. (1985)(2005) ‘The Suffering of God:
An Old Testament Perspective’, in Theology Today, Volume 1, Number 1, Bookreview17. Princeton, Princeton Theological Seminary.
An Old Testament Perspective’, in Theology Today, Volume 1, Number 1, Bookreview17. Princeton, Princeton Theological Seminary.
FRETHEIM,
TERENCE E. (1994) ‘Is Genesis 3 a Fall Story?’, in Word and World, Luther Seminary, pp. 144-153. Saint Paul, Luther
Seminary.
HICK, JOHN
(1970) Evil and The God of Love,
London, The Fontana Library.
HICK, JOHN
(1978) ‘Present and Future Life’, Harvard
Theological Review, Volume 71, Number 1-2, January-April, Harvard
University.
HICK, JOHN
(1981) Encountering Evil, Stephen T.
Davis (ed.), Atlanta, John Knox Press.
HICK, JOHN
(1993) ‘Afterword’ in GEIVETT, R.
DOUGLAS (1993) Evil and the Evidence for
God, Philadelphia, Temple University Press.
HICK, JOHN
(1993) The Metaphor of God Incarnate,
Louisville, Kentucky, John Know Press.
HICK, JOHN
(1994) Death and Eternal Life,
Louisville, Kentucky, John Knox Press.
HICK, JOHN
(1999) ‘Life after Death’, in Alan Richardson and John Bowden (eds.), A New Dictionary of Christian Theology,
Kent, SCM Press.
LA SOR,
WILLIAM SANFORD, DAVID ALLAN HUBBARD, AND FREDERIC WILLIAM BUSH. (1987) Old Testament Survey, Grand Rapids,
William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.
MARSHALL, ALFRED (1975)(1996) The Interlinear KJV-NIV, Grand Rapids, Zondervan.
ROTH, JOHN K.
‘Introduction’ (1892-1907)(1969) in The
Moral Philosophy of William James, John K. Roth (ed.), Thomas Y. Crowell
Company, New York.
ROTH, JOHN K.
(1981) Encountering Evil, Stephen T.
Davis (ed.), Atlanta, John Knox Press.
[1] Hick (1970: 172). He wrote, for example, in 1993 The Metaphor of God Incarnate,
Louisville, Kentucky, John Know Press.
[4] To read anything
plain literally when grammar and context provide reasons to read the text
otherwise, would be non-academic and philosophically troubling.
[7] The idea being to
let God speak, since God is the one being questioned in the context of
theodicy.
Thank you for your interesting comments. It certainly gives me much to read and think about.
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Thank you most kindly.
ReplyDeleteI personally see no point in reinterpreting historical religious Scripture inspired by the infinite, eternal God through scribes, prophets, apostles.
The fact that all of humanity is condemned as sinful (Romans, Galatians, John) is offensive to many in the secular mind-set and some will claim this is unloving.
But it would be unloving to present a reinterpreted false gospel.
The love of God (John 3) comes through the love of the gospel and on God's terms.
On one hand as a Christian, scholar, theologian and philosopher I understand reasonably well that God is God and is unchangeable as is the gospel.
On the other hand, as a sinful person, I also struggle with God and understand the struggles of fellow believers and some of the issues my friends have with God that do not believe.
We are coming from a perspective, a nature, and what is seemingly natural often seems good, but so much of it the Bible states is not, and even by secular standards human beings are not perfect. Nature is fallen and corrupt. By God's standards, imperfect flesh and blood in this realm cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Therefore the need for salvation, atonement, resurrection, restoration.
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Well thought out article, your challenge to Hick is of great merit and makes sense.
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