Sunday, July 21, 2013

Augustine’s Influences (PhD Edit)

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Augustine’s Influences

Manichaeism

According to Alan Richardson (1999), as a student Augustine was attracted to Manichaeism,[1] a movement began by the Persian, Manes (ca 215-275).[2]  Vernon J. Bourke (1958) writes that Augustine was in this religion for nine years from 373 A.D.[3]  The Manichees, according to Augustine scholar Henry Chadwick (1992), held that matter itself was evil.[4] Augustine rejected Manichaeism when he converted to Christianity,[5] but this does not mean with certainty the views of Manes have no influence whatsoever on Augustine’s theodicy.[6]  However, Augustine is historically known to have eventually challenged Manichaeism by denying its views as mythology,[7] and in disagreement with what he viewed as orthodox Christianity.[8]  Augustine’s view of the corruption and privation of matter and nature was that they were good things as created originally by God,[9] but had become less than they were originally intended through the rebellion of creatures.[10] This view would therefore contradict Manichaeism[11] which saw matter as always by nature being inherently evil.[12]

Platonic Philosophy

Augustine was also documented to have been influenced by Platonic philosophy.[13]  Scott MacDonald (1989) explains in his article ‘Augustine’s Christian-Platonic Account of Goodness’ that Augustine held views influenced by Platonic thought.[14]  Platonic philosophy was largely created by Plato (427-347 B.C.).[15]  Richard Kraut (1996) notes Plato was a preeminent Greek philosopher who conceived the observable world as an imperfect image of the realm of the unobservable and unchanging forms.[16]  Plato, in Timaeus, written in 360 B.C, viewed these forms as divinely moved objects.[17]  Mark D. Jordan (1996) notes Augustine was primarily affected by Neoplatonism before his conversion to Christianity.[18]  Augustine (398-399)(1992) states in Confessions he examined Platonist writings that supported his Biblical understanding of the nature of God.[19]  Jordan states the Platonic writings helped Augustine to conceive of a cosmic hierarchy in the universe in which God was immaterial and had sovereign control over his material creation.[20]  However, Jordan states Augustine saw philosophy alone as being unable to change his life as only God himself could do.[21]  Augustine’s use of Plato does not in itself invalidate his understanding of Biblical writings where the two may happen to be in agreement.[22]  From my overall research of Augustine and his free will theodicy, he places much emphasis on Biblical theology as primary,[23] and therefore although it is possible he could read Neoplatonism into his understanding of theodicy, it is also very likely he rejects Neoplatonism where it contradicts his Scriptural findings through in depth study.[24]

AUGUSTINE (388-395)(1964) On Free Choice of the Will, Translated by Anna S.Benjamin and L.H. Hackstaff, Upper Saddle River, N.J., Prentice Hall.
         
AUGUSTINE (398-399)(1992) Confessions, Translated by Henry Chadwick, Oxford, Oxford University Press.

AUGUSTINE (400-416)(1987)(2004) On the Trinity, Translated by Reverend Arthur West Haddan, in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Series One, Volume 3, Denver, The Catholic Encyclopedia.

AUGUSTINE (421)(1998) Enchiridion, Translated by J.F. Shaw,  Denver, The Catholic Encyclopedia.

AUGUSTINE (426)(1958) The City of God, Translated by Gerald G. Walsh, Garden City, New York, Image Books.

AUGUSTINE (427)(1997) On Christian Doctrine, Translated by D.W. Robertson Jr., Upper Saddle River, N.J., Prentice Hall.

AUGUSTINE (427b)(1997) On Christian Teaching, Translated by R.P.H. Green, Oxford, Oxford University Press.

BOURKE, VERNON J. (1958) ‘Introduction’, in The City of God, Translated by Gerald G. Walsh, Garden City, New York, Image Books.

CHADWICK, HENRY (1992) ‘Introduction’, in Confessions, Oxford, Oxford University Press.

JORDAN, MARK D. (1996) ‘Augustine’, in Robert Audi (ed.), The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, pp. 52-53. Cambridge, Cambridge University Press.

KRAUT, RICHARD (1996) ‘Plato’, in Robert Audi (ed.), The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, Cambridge, pp. 619-629. Cambridge University Press.

MACDONALD, SCOTT (1989) ‘Augustine’s Christian-Platonist Account of Goodness’, in The New Scholasticism, Volume 63, Number 4, pp. 485-509. Baltimore, The New Scholasticism. 

PLATO (360 B.C.)(1982) ‘Timaeus’, in Process Studies, Volume. 12, Number 4, Winter, pp.243-251. Claremont, California, Process Studies.

POJMAN, LOUIS P. (1996) Philosophy: The Quest for Truth, New York, Wadsworth Publishing Company.

RICHARDSON, ALAN (1999) ‘Manichaeism’, in Alan Richardson and John Bowden (eds.), A New Dictionary of Christian Theology,  Kent, SCM Press Ltd. 



[1] Richardson (1999: 344).
[2] Richardson (1999: 344).
[3] Bourke (1958: 7).
[4] Chadwick (1992: xiv).
[5] Chadwick (1992: xiv).
[6] Chadwick (1992: xv).
[7] Chadwick (1992: xiv).
[8] Chadwick (1992: xv).
[9] Augustine (388-395)(1964: 116-117).
[10] Augustine (388-395)(1964: 116-117).
[11] Chadwick (1992: xv).
[12] Chadwick (1992: xiv).
[13] MacDonald (1989: 485-486).  Jordan (1996: 52).
[14] MacDonald (1989: 485-486).
[15] Pojman (1996: 6).
[16] Kraut (1996: 619-620).
[17] Plato (360 B.C.)(1982: 35).       
[18] Jordan (1996: 52).
[19] Augustine (398-399)(1992).
[20] Jordan (1996: 53).
[21] Jordan (1996: 53).
[22] Augustine (398-399)(1992).
[23] Augustine (398-399)(1992).
[24] Augustine (398-399)(1992). 

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  3. I use 30SPF sunscreen also, but only because the swimmers itch can't penetrate through it during the swims.

    Any thoughts on Augustine's Contra Academicos? My understanding is that the Academics were the only philosophical sect that Augustine had formally identified with for a time.

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    'However, before embracing the Faith, Augustine underwent a three years' struggle during which his mind passed through several distinct phases. At first he turned towards the philosophy of the Academics, with its pessimistic scepticism; then neo-Platonic philosophy inspired him with genuine enthusiasm. At Milan he had scarcely read certain works of Plato and, more especially, of Plotinus, before the hope of finding the truth dawned upon him. Once more he began to dream that he and his friends might lead a life dedicated to the search for it, a life purged of all vulgar aspirations after honours, wealth, or pleasure, and with celibacy for its rule (Confessions VI). But it was only a dream; his passions still enslaved him.'

    I have heard of that text, but did not read as it was not directly relevant, it appeared, to his work on the problem of evil and theodicy and with him being translated as well as he was repetitive and sometimes a confusing writer. Not as clear as Calvin, for example.

    Thanks, sir.

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  5. You are reminding me that my memory of Confessions is fuzzy. I need to read it again. Thanks for the post.

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  19. Dr. Murray,

    I was having a long debate with my youngest brother, who is a Charismatic, on the phone today. He believes that when Genesis says that God breathed the breath of life in Adam (he says the word is "Rhema"...and I just now realized that "Rhema" is Greek, but the O.T. was in Hebrew, unless you count the Septuagint, so the word would be a Hebrew word, not a Greek word), that God breathed the Holy Spirit into Adam, and when Adam sinned, Adam lost the Holy Spirit. I told him that when the Bible says God breathed the breath of life into Adam, it means He gave Adam physical life, but also spiritual life, in that He gave Adam the spirit of man (i.e., man's own spirit, which is eternal). He agrees with that, but says that in addition, God also gave Adam the Holy Spirit. He says that without the Holy Spirit man would not have eternal life, so, since Adam had eternal life before the fall, that means Adam had the Holy Spirit. I said that Adam had eternal life not because he had the Holy Spirit, but because he had not sinned. We just went back and forth. What would you say, and what Scriptures would you use?

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  20. Sorry, scratch what I said about the Greek word. I think he did mention the Hebrew word "ruach" for "spirit." I told him "ruach" can mean “wind, breath, air, spirit," which he agreed with, so he insists on saying that God breathed His own holy spirit into man, since God is holy. But we both agree that the Holy Spirit is a Person.

    We were also talking about Abraham's bosom, and talking about whether that is in Heaven or some other place. I said Abraham's bosom was before Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you," so apparently it was before Jesus prepared Heaven for us. We both agreed that neither of us knows exactly where (or even what) Abraham's bosom could be, other than a place of comfort and rest.

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  21. Another point my brother and I were discussing is about how people in the Old Testament were saved. I said they were saved in the same way that we are today, by faith. He agreed that they were saved, but he said they were not saved by the blood of Christ, because Jesus had not died yet. I told him they were saved by faith in the coming Messiah. He said there is no verse that says that the O.T. saints were saved by faith in the Messiah. I pointed out Hebrews 11 that says they were saved by faith in God, but he said that says faith in God, not faith in the Messiah.

    He says their sins were covered, but they were not cleansed. I don't see an effectual difference between the two words. I told him that God is not limited by time, and that it does not matter when Jesus died, but what matters is their faith/belief.

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  22. Erickson on page 613 of Christian Theology suggests conditional immortality before the fall. Basically not full immortality, but humans did not necessarily have to die. In other words if Adam and Eve had obeyed God and stayed within the Garden of Eden where certain conditions existed they could have maintained everlasting life. It can be reasoned outside on the rest of the Earth and the Universe it was not the case.

    Genesis 3:24 NASB

    So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.

    'He says their sins were covered, but they were not cleansed. I don't see an effectual difference between the two words. I told him that God is not limited by time, and that it does not matter when Jesus died, but what matters is their faith/belief.'

    There existed the Mosaic Law and old covenant. There was the concept of atonement in the old covenant as well as keeping the law, and this surely demonstrates that one could not keep the law and sets the place for the final atonement of Christ in the new covenant whether or not someone in the old covenant understood very well the divine nature of the messiah or not.

    Thank you sir.

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  23. Erickson on page 613 of Christian Theology suggests conditional immortality before the fall. Basically not full immortality, but humans did not necessarily have to die. In other words if Adam and Eve had obeyed God and stayed within the Garden of Eden where certain conditions existed they could have maintained everlasting life. It can be reasoned outside on the rest of the Earth and the Universe it was not the case.

    Genesis 3:24 NASB

    So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.


    Since my comments, I have done some additional research, which I think agrees with what you stated.

    First, I read that the Hebrew word ruwach is indeed used to designate God’s Spirit in the Old Testament, and sometimes it's also used to designate man’s spirit. However, when God breathed life into Adam, a different word is used, which is neshamah, which means breath, according to Strong's. This word is used in association with giving life to a human soul. So, from what I read, Genesis 2:7 does not use ruwach, but rather neshamah.

    Secondly, I read something I had never considered before, but which makes sense to me, and this is the part that I think would agree with what you stated, Dr. Murray. The breath of life (neshamah) that we inherit from our parents was never intended to give eternal life. The longevity that was imparted to Adam and Eve was actually through their diet, the Tree of Life (Genesis 3:22), [Remember there were two trees, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and the Tree of Life, and they were never told not to eat of the Tree of Life until after the Fall, when the angel guarded it with a flaming sword]. When we receive salvation, we receive the Holy Spirit, which enables our souls to have the same life as Jesus, which is eternal. But Adam had the Tree of Life. So apparently that is how his eternal life was maintained, which I would say agrees with what you stated, that "if Adam and Eve had obeyed God and stayed within the Garden of Eden where certain conditions existed they could have maintained everlasting life." The "certain conditions" could be the Tree of Life.

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  24. There existed the Mosaic Law and old covenant. There was the concept of atonement in the old covenant as well as keeping the law, and this surely demonstrates that one could not keep the law and sets the place for the final atonement of Christ in the new covenant whether or not someone in the old covenant understood very well the divine nature of the messiah or not.

    Agreed. So I would say it this way:
    Isaiah and other books prophesy about how the Messiah would suffer and die and be glorified, so the Old Testament prophets and those who believed them looked forward to the coming Christ. The Old Testament Scriptures contained, for them, the gospel message, and faith in that message was how people got saved back then, even though Jesus had not died yet.

    "Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into." (1 Peter 1:10–12)

    So the “prophets...who prophesied” longed for the arrival of an era of grace. The “Spirit of Christ” within them was filling them with this great desire, witnessing through them and to them in advance of the work of Christ. The Spirit of Christ witnessed in advance about the sufferings and glories of Christ. Even before the completion of the New Testament, the Old Testament served as the Scripture for Israel, and it contained a gospel theme concerning the coming, sufferings, and glory of Messiah.

    Acts 3:18 says, "But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled." So the gospel theme was in the Old Testament. It continues through verse 24 and says, "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."

    So the gospel message of salvation was preached in the Old Testament, and faith in that gospel message is how people got saved, even though Jesus had not died yet. Paul explained in Romans 4 that salvation has always been, and will always be, by God’s grace, and received through faith alone. Genesis 3:15 promised that Someone would come to clear up the sin problem created by our first father, Adam. As the Seed of the woman, He would be the one to battle and defeat the serpent. Even Abel understood the nature of a bloody sacrifice and the death of a substitute, and because of his faith in God, he was regarded by God as righteous (Hebrews 11:4). God has onecovenant of grace, which was promised right after the fall in Genesis 3:15 proclaiming that the seed of the woman would crush the seed of the serpent.

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  26. Do You Have Soul-Spirit

    Interesting; that past blog article references Clarence Darrow.

    From the blog post:
    For Clarence Darrow the immaterial soul does not exist and cannot be reasonably conceived. Darrow (1928)(1973: 261).

    Is that the same Clarence Darrow as the famed defense attorney of the Scopes Trial, where Nebraska Man (later proved as a hoax: a single tooth, discovered in Nebraska in 1922, grew an entire evolutionary link between man and monkey, until another identical tooth was found which was protruding from the jawbone of a wild pig) was the main evidence in favor of evolution?

    Also from your past blog article:
    For Strong. the most often documented word used for spirit in the Hebrew Bible is ‘ruwach’ roo’-akh. Strong (1986: 142). The most common word used in the Hebrew Bible for soul is ‘nephesh’ neh’-fesh. Strong (1986: 105). The most used word for spirit in the New Testament is ‘pneuma’ pnyoo’mah. Strong (1986: 78). The most common world for soul is ‘psuche’ psoo-khay. Strong (1986: 106).

    That is helpful.

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  27. Looks like a fun conversation. Checking my Bibleworks, neshamah is a rare word that is used both for human life and animal life (24 occurrences). Ruach has a broader meaning, ranging from the four winds to the spirit of God, but also can mean animal life. The broader sense of Ruach may just be a function of the 394 occurrences. In Job 27:3, the two words are used in poetic parallelism.

    The note on Clarence Darrow reminds me that for much of the 19th and 20th centuries, a "moderate" was a rabid atheist and a "conservative" was a universalist who still had some people in his congregation who thought there was something special about Jesus.

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  28. Sounds reasonable, sir.

    The comments on the other blog are presently more wild...;)

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  29. neshamah is a rare word that is used both for human life and animal life (24 occurrences). Ruach has a broader meaning, ranging from the four winds to the spirit of God, but also can mean animal life.

    Thanks, Looney, that is helpful.

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  30. I said previously:
    ...the Scopes Trial, where Nebraska Man...was the main evidence in favor of evolution?

    Oops! The trial of John T. Scopes for teaching the evolution of man from lower animals in 1925 has passed from historical event into cultural legend, and, upon further research, it seems I fell prey to the legend portion of it and was mistaken.

    I found out that:
    There was no physical evidence presented at the Scopes Trial. No expert witness testified before the jury. Only one expert was allowed to speak directly to the court (Judge Raulston did not permit any testimony in the official presence of the jury, but one witness testified and several affidavits were read into the record when the jury was excused). Statements from experts were read into the transcript at one point. However, no expert, whether speaking directly or via affidavit, mentioned Nebraska Man in the trial. Nebraska man was never introduced into the trial, since the lead paleoanthropologist Dr. Fay Cooper Cole had some misgivings about it. The Scopes Trial generated a lot of publicity, and the possibility remains that commentators outside the trial made mention of Nebraska Man. However, this still renders the original assertion false. Nebraska Man was not entered as evidence.

    Now, on the other hand, though it is not true that Piltdown Man*** played a large role in expert testimony, Piltdown Man was mentioned by two experts in affidavits, though in each case Piltdown was given no special status. The sense of the affidavits indicates that Piltdown Man was considered to be anomalous (i.e., of uncertain nature or classification; marked by incongruity or contradiction).

    As a side note, trying to flatly state who won or lost the Scopes Trial is a futile endeavor. The facts are that the purpose of the Scopes Trial was to begin a process of judicial review of the Butler Act, which did not proceed to a federal court as the ACLU had planned. The Butler Act provided penalties for the teaching of evolution. And contrary to some common assertions today, Darrow was actually defending the right to teach science in a science classroom, and not arguing for exclusivity. Scopes was convicted and fined under the Butler Act, but the Tennessee Supreme Court upheld the law while overturning the conviction on a technicality. The ACLU's primary purpose was thwarted, and the Butler Act remained on the Tennessee books until the 1960's, and its success led to anti-evolution legislation in two other states, as well as proposed legislative action in many more states. So, some say that the creationists won. The creationists, however, received quite a lot of bad publicity.


    ***The "Piltdown Man" is a famous hoax consisting of fragments of a skull and jawbone collected in 1912 from a gravel pit at Piltdown, a village near Uckfield, East Sussex, in England. The fragments were thought by many experts of the day to be the fossilized remains of a hitherto unknown form of early human. The significance of the specimen remained the subject of controversy until it was exposed in 1953 as a forgery, consisting of the lower jawbone of an orangutan combined with the skull of a fully developed, modern man. The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous archaeological hoax in history. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its full exposure as a forgery. Clarence Darrow died in 1938, more than ten years before Piltdown Man was exposed as a fraud. Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard met less fortunate timing, listing Piltdown Man as one of the ancestors of humanity in his book Scientology: A History of Man, and describing him as having "enormous" teeth and being "quite careless as to whom and what he bit." Piltdown Man would be exposed as a hoax just months after the publication of Hubbard's book.

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