Monday, March 09, 2009

God's omnipotence: Alister McGrath and William of Ockham


London/Greenwich (photo from trekearth.com )

The following is a section of my MPhil thesis (2003) where Alister McGrath deals with the concept of God's omnipotence and I will be adding a section on different views concerning omnipotence within my PhD revisions.

4. God’s Power

In Chapter 3 of Suffering entitled God Almighty, McGrath tried to clear up possible misunderstandings concerning the idea of God’s omnipotence. Firstly, he indicated that God cannot contradict himself. "‘God can’t make a square circle! He would contradict himself if he did.’ The logic of this is undeniable." McGrath (1992: 15)

Secondly, McGrath points out that although God can do anything that is not contradictory to his nature, he is bound by certain promises.

The simple fact of the matter is that God is not able to do everything. His hands are tied. He has made promises - promises which limit his freedom of action. And he is faithful to those promises. And those promises are not arbitrary. They reflect and rest upon God’s unchanging character. Those promises tell us about the way God is. They express the consistency and faithfulness, as well as offer us salvation. What God promises expresses what God is. McGrath (1992: 17).

Theologian, Millard J. Erickson, is in basic agreement with these two points. He stated:

There are, however, certain qualifications of this all-powerful character of God. He cannot arbitrarily do anything whatsoever that we may conceive of. He can do only those things which are proper objects of his power. Thus, he cannot do the logically absurd or contradictory. He cannot make square circles or triangles with four corners. He cannot undo what happened in the past, although he may wipe out its effects of even the memory of it. He cannot act contrary to his nature–he cannot be cruel or unconcerned. He cannot fail to do what he has promised. In reference to God’s having made a promise and having confirmed it with an oath, the writer to the Hebrews says: "So that through two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible that God should prove false, we . . . might have strong encouragement" (Heb. 6:18). All of these "inabilities" however, are not weaknesses, but strengths. The inability to do evil or to lie or to fail is a mark of positive strength rather than of failure.

Another aspect of the power of God is that he is free. While God is bound to keep his promises, he was not initially under any compulsion to make those promises. Nothing in Scripture suggests that God’s will is determined or bound by any external factors. On the contrary, it is common to attribute his decisions and actions to the "good pleasure of his will" (eudokia). Paul in particular attributes them to God’s will (Eph. 1:5, 9; Phil. 2:13). God’s decisions and actions are not determined by consideration of any factors outside himself. They are simply a matter of his own free choice. Erickson (1994: 277-278).

Both McGrath and Erickson are stating that God is not a contradictory being in any of his actions. This means, for example, that God would not have the power to stop being God, or to make someone else God. This, however, has nothing to do with omnipotence, and being all-powerful means God is able to do what can be done logically, but never what cannot done be logically.

Concerning the assertion that God is bound by his promises, I agree, Scripture makes it clear in Hebrews 6:18 that he cannot lie, and also when Jesus promises he is the only way of salvation in John 14:6, it can be concluded that this system of salvation will not be altered. One can be sure that God will save those in Christ who believe, and at the same time, there will never be another way of salvation. God could have chosen not to save humanity from its sins, but once this decision was made and God made a promise, it would not be broken.

With these concepts in mind, according to McGrath, God is restricted in the future as to how he deals with humanity, because he has promised certain things for humankind’s ultimate salvation. With regard to the problem of evil this means that much of the suffering in God’s creation was because God "has deliberately limited his possibilities." McGrath (1992: 20).

McGrath notes the approach of William of Ockham who, according to McGrath, described God’s omnipotence in the following way:

Ockham uses two terms to refer to these different options. The absolute power of God refers to God’s options before he had committed himself to any course of action or world ordering. The ordained power of God refers to the way things are, which reflects the will of God their creator. These do not represent two different sets of options now open to God. They represent two different moments in the history of human salvation. And our concern is with the ordained power of God, the way in which God orders his creation at present. McGrath (1992: 20).

These definitions by Ockham adequately described McGrath’s ideas and made sense; however, McGrath went on to ask: "So where does this leave all the abstract talk about God being omnipotent? In something of a state of ruin, is the short answer." McGrath (1992: 21).

I agree with McGrath’s "Ockham" concept that God had ordained power at this point which included God limiting himself within his promises. However, I do not think this, in any way, puts the idea of God’s omnipotence in ruins because, technically speaking, God still has absolute power so it is not his lack of power that is the issue, it is instead his lack of will.

God possesses will and desire to make certain promises for humanity’s ultimate salvation through him and life with him. He stays omnipotent through all of this but he wills not to do certain things, including not to stop certain evil because to will the cessation of certain evil would interfere with his ultimate will and plan. So although I agree with McGrath’s concept, I would not, in any way, challenge God’s omnipotence but would simply state that he can will evil for the greater good, meaning that people and demonic beings have the freedom to sin. He remains without contradiction and perfectly good, but can use the actions of all finite beings within his ultimate plan for he is infinite. It is logical and plausible to think that the infinite God can create a Universe where an ultimate plan prevails, even while his finite creations plot against him. For God to stop all sin at this time may not be within his plan because human beings may need to experience sin and redemption in order to appreciate God in the greatest measure. It is possible that under every circumstance, humanity would have fallen eventually, and that this type of scenario, where God incarnate must die for humanity, would be needed.

Additional:

'It is possible that under every circumstance, humanity would have fallen eventually, and that this type of scenario, where God incarnate must die for humanity, would be needed.'

Within my PhD I more clearly point my view that God could within a compatibilistic system create significantly free physical/spiritual creatures, or just spiritual creatures with significant free will that would never commit wrong actions. So I would state that human beings as they have been created originally with Adam and Eve would have eventually always fallen, unless God would have severely interfered with their thoughts and actions well beyond what he has done in reality. I have speculated within the MPhil and PhD theses on why God created human creatures in need of salvation.

I noted here:

'For God to stop all sin at this time may not be within his plan because human beings may need to experience sin and redemption in order to appreciate God in the greatest measure.'

And it could be added more importantly that this type of human being would be considered most valuable to God within his culminated Kingdom. This concept received some criticism at my PhD viva, but more in the sense of complaint and not in the sense of defeating with argumentation.

FEINBERG, JOHN S. (1994) The Many Faces of Evil, Grand Rapids, Zondervan Publishing House.

McGRATH, ALISTER (1992) Suffering, London, Hodder and Stoughton Limited.

Giovanni Antonio Canal Canaletto (1697-1768)


Canaletto, Tomb of Lord Somers, 1722-29 (I have seen this one in person)


Something far inferior to Canaletto from Facebook graffiti.

39 comments:

  1. Very good article!! :() I heard a program that was talking about how "The Lord is not slow in keeping His promises" (cant remember where that verse is) but rather He is patient with us to actually believe His promises...He is working on us...and allowing us to see our errors & move toward repentance & get our lives in order!! I like what you noted:"'For God to stop all sin at this time may not be within his plan because human beings may need to experience sin and redemption in order to appreciate God in the greatest measure.' And it could be added more importantly that this type of human being would be considered most valuable to God within his culminated Kingdom." I believe His ultimate plan is for us to BE HOLY as He is holy ect....but not in His immediate plan because of those things you stated!! WELL DONE!!

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  2. 'He is working on us...and allowing us to see our errors & move toward repentance & get our lives in order!!'

    A very good point, and thank you Sherry for your fine support.

    Russ:)

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  3. very thought provoking. I liked these the best:

    "God still has absolute power so it is not his lack of power that is the issue, it is instead his lack of will."

    and

    and agreeing with Sherry, 'For God to stop all sin at this time may not be within his plan because human beings may need to experience sin and redemption in order to appreciate God in the greatest measure' And it could be added more importantly that this type of human being would be considered most valuable to God within his culminated Kingdom'

    we should desire to present Jesus the Bride as pure. A people desiring to be devoetd to repentance & the transforming power of the Holy Spirit. a desire to be holy. A people desiring to be a pure Bride for Jesus. until we are heartbroken over our sin. until we experience sin and the path it leads us down -- maybe we wouldn't desire to turn toward Him. When we recognize sin for what it is. just truly how ugly & destructive & deceiving it is... and how beautiful running Him is.... then we and can turn (reptend) and desire sin no more. We will desire to be pure.

    back to the first phrase though... I never thought about it like that -- though I had thought something like that - but wasn't able to put it into words. I believe GOd has the power to do anything, all things, whatever He wants..... but I believe He has set up some sort of 'system' in His way (that we can't comprehend and aren't supposed to) that He sticks to as far as interferring or not.

    thanks :)

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  4. "God still has absolute power so it is not his lack of power that is the issue, it is instead his lack of will."

    I agree with your statement here. God limiting His "will" is not the same as limiting His "power". Very well said.

    It is so difficult to speak of God extra-biblically because we live in (four) dimensional reality (at least as far as we know at this present "time" :-), where as God is not bound by dimensional reality. Therefore, for us to speak accurately of God (and coherently, for that matter), we must speak as the Bible does even if that means keeping certain "tensions" that the Bible brings before us.

    "I have speculated within the MPhil and PhD theses on why God created human creatures in need of salvation."

    You've made some comments in the past related to this...are you going to post a full-length article sometime? This is a very loaded idea that affects so many other concepts.

    "For God to stop all sin at this time may not be within his plan because human beings may need to experience sin and redemption in order to appreciate God in the greatest measure."

    Our pastor says (and I agree with him) that God does not remove all traces of indwelling sin because, as you suggest, God uses even the "sin" in our life to accomplish His purpose in us. Even though we have been "born again" and are "new creations" in Christ, and even though we have the Spirit of Christ indwelling us and empowering us to walk a life of faith, God has sovereignly ordained that "sin" not be removed completely (yet) because He uses sin to complete His work in us--the work of conforming us into the likeness of Christ. So even here, the Sovereign Omnipotence of God is displayed as even "sin" becomes His servant to do His will for our benefit and His glory!

    And it's because of this that we don't have to feel defeated in our Christian lives as we see sin still operating in us and the "world". We don't want to sin, of course. We agree with Paul that we should not "continue in sin that grace might increase" because we have been freed from the tyranny of sin and, as Children of our heavenly Father, we seek to please Him--and "sinning" doesn't please Him. But until we are perfected in our restored humanity at the consummation, we can trust our Father that even though we still see sin in our lives, He has called us His Children and He has promised that nothing will separate us from His love toward us in Christ.

    The remaining sin in our lives actually works for our good in God's hands (Rom. 8) by continually testifying to us the reality that we must live by faith and not by sight! We must trust God that what He says is true, not what we see in our lives as we so often struggle with sin. If we live by sight we end up being "legalists" or "moralists" trying to do for ourselves what God has promised to do in us by the working of His power through His indwelling Spirit. We can't overcome sin in our own power; we must keep our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith and trust God that He will complete His work of transformation in us.

    Sorry for the "sermon"--sometimes I just can't stop myself! :-)

    GGM

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  5. 'maybe we wouldn't desire to turn toward Him. When we recognize sin for what it is. just truly how ugly & destructive & deceiving it is... and how beautiful running Him is.... then we and can turn (reptend) and desire sin no more. We will desire to be pure.'

    I agree, Randi Jo. I think in our sin we would never turn to God by ourselves (Romans 3: 9-18). By God's grace we are elected (Ephesians 1 and Romans 8) and born again/regenerated (John 3). This is not done through force or coercion, but God transforms a chosen person based on God's private understanding of that person's development. This development includes repentance but sin still remains a struggle for the believer until death.

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  6. 'You've made some comments in the past related to this...are you going to post a full-length article sometime?'

    Perhaps as it is a somewhat original aspect of my theses.

    Thanks for the reasonable and good essay and the support, Jason.

    Russ:)

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  7. Russ,

    Very clearly put. My only change is in the use of the term God's "lack of will". I don't see it as a lack of will, but strength of will. As an example, when my children were young they asked to learn karate. I agreed to allow it, but on the condition they would stick it out for a year. If at the end of the year, they could quit. When the year was up, they choose to continue. Again, I allowed them, but now with the stipulation they earn their Black Belt. That was another three year committment of three nights a week year round. It was my will they learn about committment and sticking to things and accomplishing things some times hard to accomplish. It took strength of will to not give into their gripes and moaning during an early stage of constant, limited repitition of basic moves. This was a period when many of the kids in their class dropped out. Once pass this stage, their enthusiasm renewed and they accomplished the goal and were stronger for it.

    It must be difficult at times for a loving God to endure our tears and pleas, but it is strength of will that sees we accomplish what he would have us become.

    Larry E.

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  8. 'It must be difficult at times for a loving God to endure our tears and pleas, but it is strength of will that sees we accomplish what he would have us become.'

    Thanks, Larry. I appreciate your comments.

    I see your point, as God does demonstrate a strength of will in willingly allowing us to go through struggles.

    Now, in his perfect will God may or may not desire a certain suffering for a person, but it is taking place within his permissible will, which is what God actually wills to take place.

    Logically where there is a permissible will for a certain suffering there is also logically a lack of permissible will for that suffering to not exist.

    Russ:)

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  9. I have debated with Atheists before that would challenge the omnipotence of God, saying things like, "Can God make a rock so big that even He can't lift it?" But, similar to what you said, Russ, omnipotence does not include the absurd. God deals in reality, not in word plays or fictional nonsense.

    Some Christians seem to think that God is basically servile to them if they claim certain promises in the Bible, and say that God MUST and HAS TO do those things, ignoring the fact that some of those promises were conditional or limited to certain people. Sometimes, it almost sounds like such Christians almost tend to think they are God's master, instead of God being their master. They seem to almost think that they can manipulate God if they only use the proper formula.

    On another note, there are many paradoxes in Christianity (i.e., you have to die to self to really live; God is 3 Persons but 1 Being; etc.), and God has done things (besides the obvious major miracles in the Bible) that are logically impossible, such as being dead (the Son) and alive (the Father and Holy Spirit) at the same time; being God and man at the same time; being omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent (the Father and Holy Spirit) while having human limitations (the Son) at the same time; being unlimited by time and space (the Father and Holy Spirit), while being limited by time and space (the Son), at the same time; etc.

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  10. Similar to what GGM said, if God suddenly removed all sin and weakness to temptation from us, how could we show our love to Him? How could our love be tested? How could we prove that we love God more than sin and earthly pleasure if there were no more sin to resist?

    I have noticed that, when a person gets saved, God will completely remove some sins from them (i.e., if they were a murderer, they will no longer murder; if they were a cocaine or heroin addict, they will no longer be an addict; etc.), but they are always left with some weaknesses, and different people have weaknesses toward different sins (even sins such as pride, which everyone has, does not display itself equally in everyone). If we stopped sinning altogether as soon as we got saved, would we have any motivation to get to know God better? Would we have any motivation to read and study His Word and to pray? Or would our motivation be less than it is? And how could God show Himself to be powerful in our lives if there were no more sin to overcome while we were still on this earth?

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  11. 'I have debated with Atheists before that would challenge the omnipotence of God, saying things like, "Can God make a rock so big that even He can't lift it?" But, similar to what you said, Russ, omnipotence does not include the absurd. God deals in reality, not in word plays or fictional nonsense.'

    Thanks, Jeff.

    These types of complaints against God have never bothered me. Even as a child for whatever reason, it just made sense that the infinite God could only do what was logically possible.

    A critic can claim that the sinfulness/moral imperfection of Christians is a sign of a false worldview. As well, one could state that Christians should have instant immortality.

    Seemingly, if Christians were without sin and immortal it would not serve God's present (not permanent) purposes as other than in certain miraculous eras in Old and New Testament times and perhaps other rare occasions, God is not overt with his supernatural power.

    If Christians were sinless it would seem strange to those in the world and perhaps it would be difficult to demonstrate they were sinless even without demonstrable bad public behavior. But if Christians were immortal we would have two thousand year old Christians still on this planet and this is my mind would draw many people to a type of Christian faith that God does not want. God desires to elect/choose and save people from sin and not have immortal Christian celebrities attracting a religious following. Doubtless, Paul, Peter, John, and even Luther and Calvin (if there was still a Reformation) would be treated as basically gods by many in the world. I suppose we could even have those from the Hebrew Bible with us, such as Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham and Moses. They would have a huge following.

    Christians are saved from the results of sin in the spiritual and physical sense but people still sin and die in this realm and the results of the atonement are not completely given to humanity until the resurrection. So sadly from our purely human perspective, we still suffer the curse of temporal death as do all persons.

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  12. Hello Russ,

    I really enjoyed this post. I realy liked this statement of yours:

    God still has absolute power so it is not his lack of power that is the issue, it is instead his lack of will.

    That's awesome it speakes profound volumes. I was reminded of the scriptures where Jesus could of called 10,000 legions to save Him from the cross, but instead he chose not to because it went against His will.

    This concept received some criticism at my PhD viva, but more in the sense of complaint and not in the sense of defeating with argumentation.

    Good Job Russ! Who could argue with that and win?

    In Christ Jesus
    Tamela:)

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  13. 'I was reminded of the scriptures where Jesus could of called 10,000 legions to save Him from the cross, but instead he chose not to because it went against His will.'

    Excellent point Tamela and thanks.

    Russ:)

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  14. Hi Russ.
    Russell's back. Starting to get my head above water again. Life is not normal but as normal as it will ever be.

    God said it, I believe it, that settles it. Probably makes me a fundamentalist after all.

    I'm just not so sure I'm as smart as Him so I will leave all the big decisions to Him.

    So how is all this PhD stuff going Russ? I hope you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

    Russell from the land down under.

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  15. Thanks, Russell.

    Yes, God is in charge.

    I have, I reason, 95% of my PhD revision materials on hand at this point. That is in less than two months.

    It is always good to read your comments, Russell.

    Russ:)

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  16. The problem with using logic and reason when debating with people, is that too many people have the logical thinking ability of this particular crowd:
    Witch hunters

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  17. I hope it does not get to the point where Western states treat Christians likewise in a court of law.;)

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  18. This also answers that George Carlin objection: Can God make a rock so big He cannot life it? I have heard people say this and what your blog has shown is that it is a category error, in essence.
    Thanks.

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  19. Agreed, Rick.

    Thanks!

    A change of subject...

    I try not to dwell too much unnecessarily on death and suffering, but in this life accidents happen and death can be a result. This needs to be theologically considered often.

    Theologically, I ponder on the fact that the very bad can occur and in Christ we have everlasting hope for quality life with God.

    I just stumbled across a number of Workplace Safety and Insurance Board (WSIB) of Ontario television commercials. I have not seen them on television here in British Columbia, but perhaps they are on some of the Toronto stations we receive.

    Please note:

    -They are quite graphic and realistic. Artistically I compliment the producers. I am amazed by the realism.

    -They are quite disturbing and so please be WARNED. If you are not in the mood please do not watch. They sometimes use females which thinking about it, is not often done.

    -I chose a few of them...

    shop

    factory

    construction

    chef

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  20. Stuff Happens and so do accidents.
    The fact is that most accidents in the workplace are preventable. Sadly, like in these commercials on your blog, its mostly young people who get hurt. In my opinion the employer and the employee have to emphasize the importance of safety in the workplace.
    -Captain Safety-

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  21. To sum up this well written article, it would be put as follows, God cannot do anything contradictory to His nature. For example, he keeps his promises and He does not lie.
    It seems that God is bound to His character and to His nature.
    -Student of Theology-

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  22. 'In my opinion the employer and the employee have to emphasize the importance of safety in the workplace.
    -Captain Safety-'

    Thanks Captain, and please get well yourself.

    Russ:)

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  23. 'To sum up this well written article, it would be put as follows, God cannot do anything contradictory to His nature. For example, he keeps his promises and He does not lie.
    It seems that God is bound to His character and to His nature.
    -Student of Theology-'

    Very well stated SOT. God bless and please get well.

    Russ:)

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  24. God is Who He is. And God is what He is. And the Bible says that God never changes. So, it's not that God is bound by some outside force or law to do certain things or be certain ways. And, it's not that God is not capable of doing certain things, in the sense that He does not have enough ability or power to do those things. Instead, He does not lie or sin because those run contrary to His nature. That's not Who He is. Also, I think its also true that He chooses not to lie or sin, possibly in similar manner to the way the Son chooses to be subservient (eternally submissive) to the Father.

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  25. Thanks, Jeff.

    My reasoning is that God cannot sin, cannot cease to exist, cannot make another God equal to him etc.

    There are things he logically cannot do that are opposed to his nature.

    I reason he is bound by his promises in his word. So, although God could damn all of us, he will save the elect through the gospel work.

    There are things he will not do that are opposed to his character.

    Therefore he is still omnipotent by my definition.

    Russ:)

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  26. You are welcome Ashild, and you have a very nice soft-spoken voice.

    Please have a good weekend and thanks for the comment.:)

    Russ;)

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  27. I see now you have two guardians against blog trolls.

    The Avenger's (Marvel's) Iron Man
    vs.
    The Justice League's (DC's) Green Lantern.

    The Golden Avenger vs. the Emerald Crusader.

    Who would win?

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  28. BTW, that London/Greenwich photo is really beautiful.

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  29. 'Who would win?'

    I think it would be a toss up. Both men depend on gadgets for power and armour. Both seem about equally powerful.

    'BTW, that London/Greenwich photo is really beautiful.'

    Thanks, Jeff. It is one of my favourites.

    Russ:)

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  30. Thank you.

    That is my best effort so far.

    I have not practiced with it in awhile.

    Russ:)

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  31. Hi Russ, thanks for 'randomly' dropping in and leaving me a comment :-). I just love those kinds of surprises.

    What a project you've got on...solving the self-created 'problem' of 'evil' (among other things)! Your conclusions should be interesting. What exactly is the topic of your thesis?

    Best always, Lucy

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  32. Cheers, Lucy.

    Theodicy (a defence of the justice of God even as evil exists) and the problem of evil are the topic.

    Thanks for stopping by and there are articles, including the newest one with the graphs that relate to my PhD and related MPhil work.

    Russ:)

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  33. Russ,

    It is April 12. I will squeeze in here just to wish you a joyful day.

    Christ is risen.

    Larry E.

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