Sunday, November 03, 2013

Otto Weber (PhD Edit)

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Otto Weber (PhD Edit)

Preface

Another PhD edit which adds depth to my PhD presented on this website and also isolates certain key Theologians and Philosophers, even if not key thesis exemplars.

Originally placed on this website 20131103 and with slight revisions for an entry on academia.edu, 20240710.

Omnipotence

Otto Weber suggests God has unlimited capacity[1] and unrestricted will.[2] God is unrestricted in what he determines within self and outside of self.[3] Presbyterian theologian John M. Frame admits the term omnipotence is not in Scripture,[4] but reasons the concept is Biblical.[5] He deduces that based on the Bible, it is impossible for anything to occur outside of what God has willed to happen.[6] 

(2024 note: Philosophically and theologically, I reason that God's eternal, infinite nature and attributes are never contradictory and/or illogical. By this I mean God cannot cease to exist, or create another infinite God, as examples. Omnipotence would be an aspect of divine, infinite nature)

Sola Scriptura 

Weber reasons the Reformation standard of sola scriptura firmly upheld Reformed views against counter propositions.[7] The Scripture is authoritative because it is the vehicle by which the Holy Spirit speaks, and therefore has divine authority.[8] The Bible is the product of the Christian community that produced it under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.[9] As Anglican Rowan Williams states, ‘Revelation is the statement of God’s autonomy.’[10] God explains who he is and becomes his own ‘alter ego’ as Christ.[11] Roman Catholic theologian Alan Schreck states his Church agrees that the Bible is the inspired word of God,[12] but does not believe that the Bible is the only source of Revelation and spiritual guidance for Christians.[13] A dividing point between Protestants and Catholics comes with Schreck’s idea that God within Catholic thought continues to select certain individuals that teach with God’s authority through the Holy Spirit.[14] Protestant and those within the Reformed camp have, at times throughout history disagreed, with the Biblical and theological interpretations of certain Roman Catholic leaders, in particular the Pope,[15] believed to be inspired by the Holy Spirit.[16]

Christology 

Weber explains that only God could bring peace to God and humanity, and this takes place through Christ.[17] Christ stood completely with human beings and yet was God.[18] Thiessen suggests that ‘no exact psychological analysis of the unique personality of Christ is possible.’[19] Jürgen Moltmann (1993) admits there is a mystery in regard to Christ and his incarnation.[20]  here is a mysterious incarnation of God into a reality that is ‘temporal, decaying, transitory existence in which men live and die.’[21] The eternal presence of God somehow in the incarnation exists among persons as God takes on ‘transitory, mortal being’ in order to become and cause humanity to become ‘intransitory’[22] and immortal, never facing death once again.[23] The New Testament depicts Christ as full deity with full divine power, and at the same time presents him as having the results of human finitude and mortality.[24] His deity should not be asserted in a way that negates his humanity and vice-versa.[25] Christ is equal to the Father in essence and nature as God,[26] and yet as human being he submitted to the Father in order to accomplish his earthly mission. Jesus Christ has a determination to be God, our God, and to be the reconciler of the world.[27]



[1] Weber (1955)(1981: 440).

[2] Weber (1955)(1981: 440).

[3] Weber (1955)(1981: 440).

[4] Frame (2002: 515).

[5] Frame (2002: 515).

[6] Frame (2002: 518). Weber (1955)(1981: 440).

[7] Weber (1955)(1981: 113-114).

[8] Franke (2005: 150).  Lindsell (1976:  28-40).

[9] Franke (2005: 151).  Lindsell (1976:  28-40).

[10] Williams (2007: 116).

[11] Williams (2007: 116).

[12] Schreck (1984: 41). 

[13] Schreck (1984: 42).   Strictly speaking as noted, those in Reformed theology do trust in non-Biblical truths for spiritual guidance.  Calvin admitted this in the context of Scripture and tradition.  Calvin (1543)(1996: 64).   I should also add that any reliance on philosophy and philosophy of religion is not strictly Biblical and I and many  Reformed scholars look to philosophy for truth. 

[14] Schreck (1984: 42). 

[15] Calvin explains, within The Bondage and Liberation of the Will, his opinion that at that point in history the Papacy was beyond Reform.  Calvin (1543)(1996: 17).

[16] Schreck (1984: 42). 

[17] Weber (1955)(1981: 383).

[18] Weber (1955)(1981: 383).

[19] Thiessen (1956: 305).  J.S. Whale explains that Christ is unique and to explain him leaves one in paradoxes.  Whale (1958: 106).

[20] Moltmann (1993: 88).  Christ has two natures in one person and there is an attempt to correlate the human and divine in Christ, but it remains a mystery.  Whale (1958: 105).

[21] Moltmann (1993: 88).

[22] Moltmann (1993: 88).  Lasting forever.

[23] Moltmann (1993: 88).

[24] Franke (2005: 72).

[25] Franke (2005: 72).

[26] Bavinck (1918)(2006 : 276 Volume 2).  Barth (1932-1968: 371). 

[27] Williams (2007: 130).

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BAVINCK, HERMAN (1918)(2006) Reformed Dogmatics Volume 2: God and Creation, John Bolt (gen.ed.), Translated by John Vriend, Baker Academic, Grand Rapids.

BAVINCK, HERMAN (1918)(2006) Reformed Dogmatics Volume 3: Sin and Salvation in Christ, John Bolt (gen.ed.), Translated by John Vriend, Baker Academic, Grand Rapids.

CALVIN, JOHN (1539)(1998) The Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book IV, Translated by Henry Beveridge, Grand Rapids, The Christian Classic Ethereal Library, Wheaton College. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes.html 

CALVIN, JOHN (1540)(1973) Romans and Thessalonians, Translated by Ross Mackenzie, Grand Rapids, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. 

CALVIN, JOHN (1543)(1996) The Bondage and Liberation of the Will, Translated by G.I. Davies, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House. 

CALVIN, JOHN (1550)(1978) Concerning Scandals, Translated by John W. Fraser, Grand Rapids, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. 

CALVIN, JOHN (1552)(1995) Acts, Translated by Watermark, Nottingham, Crossway Books. 

CALVIN, JOHN (1553)(1952) Job, Translated by Leroy Nixon, Grand Rapids, Baker Book House. 

CALVIN, JOHN (1554)(1965) Genesis, Translated by John King, Edinburgh, The Banner of Truth Trust.

FRAME, JOHN M. (1999) ‘The Bible on the Problem of Evil: Insights from Romans 3:1-8,21-26; 5:1-5; 8:28-39’, IIIM Magazine Online, Volume 1, Number 33, October 11 to October 17, Fern Park, Florida, Third Millennium.

FRAME, JOHN M. (2002) The Doctrine of God, P and R Publishing, Phillipsburg, New Jersey.

FRANKE, JOHN R. (2005) The Character of Theology, Baker Academic, Grand Rapids.

FRANKE, JOHN R. (2005)  The Character of Theology, Baker Academic, Grand Rapids.

GUNDRY, ROBERT H. (1981) A Survey of the New Testament, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids.

HINDSON, EDWARD E. (1874-1890)(1980) ‘Introduction’ within SHEDD, WILLIAM G.T. Dogmatic Theology,  Volume 1, Nashville, Thomas Nelson Publishers.

LINDSELL, HAROLD (1976) The Battle for the Bible, Grand Rapids, Zondervan Publishing House.

MOLTMANN, JÜRGEN (1993) The Crucified God, Minneapolis, Fortress Press. 

MOLTMANN, JÜRGEN (1999) ‘Perseverance’, in Alan Richardson and John Bowden (eds.), New Dictionary of Christian Theology, Kent, SCM Press Ltd.

SCHRECK, ALAN (1984) Catholic and Christian, Ann Arbor, Michigan, Servant Books. 

SHEDD, WILLIAM G.T. (1874-1890)(1980) Dogmatic Theology,  Volume 1, Nashville, Thomas Nelson Publishers.

SHEDD, WILLIAM G.T. (1874-1890)(1980) Dogmatic Theology,  Volume 2, Nashville, Thomas Nelson Publishers.

THIESSEN, HENRY C. (1956) Introductory Lectures in Systematic Theology, Grand Rapids, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.

WEBER, OTTO (1955)(1981) Foundations of Dogmatics, Volumes 1 and 2, Translated and annotated by Darrell L. Guder, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.

WHALE, J.S. (1958) Christian Doctrine, Glasgow, Fontana Books.

WILLIAMS, ROWAN (2000) On Christian Theology, Blackwell Publishing, Oxford.

WILLIAMS, ROWAN (2007) Wrestling with Angels, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids. 



[1] Weber (1955)(1981: 440).
[2] Weber (1955)(1981: 440).
[3] Weber (1955)(1981: 440).
[4] Frame (2002: 515).
[5] Frame (2002: 515).
[6] Frame (2002: 518). Weber (1955)(1981: 440).
[7] Weber (1955)(1981: 17).
[8] John Frame recognizes in light of Biblicism that there is still value in traditions, confessions and church history, although he believes in the sufficiency of the Scripture.  Frame (2002: 10). Biblicism is a wrong extreme but Frame desires that Scripture be correctly understood.
[9] Weber (1955)(1981: 17). Weber makes an excellent point as through academic theological blogging, for example,  I have found that some evangelical fundamentalists downplay the use of theology and any scholarship.  They prefer a plain literal read of the Bible and are sceptical of any scholarship that may challenge their views.
[10] Franke (2005: 8).
[11] Franke (2005: 9).
[12] Franke (2005: 9). Franke reasons that, with his approach, existing theological models will not be forced upon the Scripture.
[13] Franke (2005: 9). Although Christian orthodoxy is important Robert H. Gundry points out that the New Testament covers a time period of less than a century, while the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible) covers thousands of years of history.  Gundry (1981: iii). Christian doctrine and orthodoxy needs to correctly understand the Hebrew Bible in context and not ‘read’ the New Testament into the original text.
[14] Hindson (1874-1890)(1980: iv).
[15] Hindson (1874-1890)(1980: iv). This is the case in all theological writing and especially in academic writing and research.
[16] Hindson (1874-1890)(1980: iv). Frame (2002: 10).
[17] Scripture is also not to be evaluated in isolation as various Scripture needs to be compared. Erickson (1994: 21).
[18] Shedd (1874-1890)(1980: 4 Volume 1).
[19] Shedd (1874-1890)(1980: 4 Volume 1).
[20] Weber (1955)(1981: 113-114).
[21] Franke (2005: 150). 
[22] Franke (2005: 151). 
[23] Williams (2007: 116).
[24] Williams (2007: 116).

39 comments:

  1. "Methods of investigation are continually undergoing correction..."

    Hi Russ,
    possibly, remarks and opinions from someone who barely picks up his Bible may not be welcome. But, if I may comment, I wonder and agree with this statement.

    In my past studies, I recall taking quite a bit of help from such studies on custom and tradition, archaeology of the New and Old Testament and Near Eastern Mythology. As you are aware, studying takes time and you never know when you will recall something you had learned to add to what you are recently studying.

    For example: What does it mean to "heap burning coals on ... head"?

    The pulpit teaching is to "kill them with kindness". But, does Jesus really want someone running about in anger because someone means to "heap burning coals" or cause someone to be enraged? Yes, I understand, winning someone with kindness. However, what I often hear from the pulpit is an elaboration of using act of kindness in such a way it will infuriate someone else.

    Looking at the customs of the people of the time that particular passage was written, I see, "offer him something to drink, offer him something to eat and in the same manner, fill the basket he carries on his head with coals from your fire".

    You see, to not help your neighbor, whose fire had dwindled at died over night was an indecent act among the members of the community which was considered an agrievance to God.

    On the other hand, what practices may encourage amending the scripture to reflect what is really intended to be stated?

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  2. Thanks, Jim

    I think it is important with Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek translations to English and other to present accurate literal translations. As possible.

    I would then allow for theology and philosophy.

    In other words, I do not like Biblical scholars, most of whom, no matter how great, are not theologians to be altering Scripture with theological and philosophical assumptions.

    Good subject to ponder on Jim.

    Thanks again.

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  4. Oh, I agree completely...;)

    Translated and it is a bunch of mumbo jumbo...

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  6. Hello Russell,

    When Pope John Paul II,the head of the Christian faith, died the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, head of the English church said on the BBC that the Pope was the Holy Father and as such was the head of all Christians even though the 'family' were split. How do you feel about this? Do you accept that statement? Is the Pope, as a direct connection to Paul who was Saul, the head of your faith?

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  9. 'When Pope John Paul II,the head of the Christian faith, died the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, head of the English church said on the BBC that the Pope was the Holy Father and as such was the head of all Christians even though the 'family' were split. How do you feel about this? Do you accept that statement? Is the Pope, as a direct connection to Paul who was Saul, the head of your faith?'

    Hi Russell,

    No, I do not as a Reformed Christian accept the Papacy, or the authority of the Roman Catholic Church. Incidentally, according to my adoption paper a request was made that I go to a Roman Catholic family. Never happened.

    Some reasons:

    The Reformation was among several things, a back to the Bible, in context, approach that wanted to lessen the power and importance of the Priest and Church in the church member's relationship and fellowship with God.

    So Reformed Christians, and other Protestants and Evangelicals that are Bible believing see Christ as the high priest (Hebrews 7) and mediator (Hebrews 9) that can be prayed to directly. There is not a need for another mediator, and God the Father and God the Holy Spirit can also be prayed to as they are of the same spiritual nature (Hebrews 1, Gospel of John 16), although this is in Christ, as in within salvific work, he has done with God to bring persons into community.

    Another area of difference is in regard to celibacy which is historically expected of Roman Catholic Priests and is at times preached in evangelical circles, with singles, using I Corinthians 7. In actuality the section teaches that only if one has a gifting from God (7), is one to be unmarried, the rest are to marry (2), as if this is the norm because of immoralities and it is better to marry than burn (with lust) (9).

    Reason and revelation should lead the typical thinker to realize most people have sex drives such that they are not celibate in the mind, and should pursue a reasonable course to resolve. The Christian, Biblical model being marriage. The Roman Catholic Church in my mind, unbiblically places a burden of celibacy upon Priests, and yes I do reason this is a root of many of the wrong sexual practices committed. Yes, it is via sinful nature but fueled by bad theology as well.

    In regard to justification and salvation by grace through faith:

    Schreck discusses the Roman Catholic concept and states that justification and salvation are free gifts of God not earned by any work or even faith. Those who are justified, however, should keep the commandments. Roman Catholics are to persevere in faith and good works, even though works do not save a person. Works are a fruit of true faith. Schreck (1984: 26-27).

    SCHRECK, ALAN (1984) Catholic and Christian, Ann Arbor, Michigan, Servant Books.

    Reformed Christians, Protestants and Evangelical also can believe good works should exist in a believer (1 Corinthians 3, Ephesians 2, 2 Peter 3, James 2), but do not tie it in the same way to Justification and sacraments but Sanctification.

    The Biblical position from the Reformed, Protestant, and Evangelical positions being justification and salvation by grace through faith ALONE.

    This being stated the Roman Catholic Church can be viewed as essentially Christian because of Biblical views on the nature of God, the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the atonement and resurrection of Christ and the second advent, being major.


    Cheers,

    Russell

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  11. EST course is going well. I did well on the ridiculous with basically no study, WHMIS test, and I reason probably better on the main BST test, the one needed to pass the course.

    Next up on Thursday is First-Aid and a test.

    Went to Northview in Abbotsford last Sunday morning, seemed to be many TWU students there, more than I could remember from evening services. Friendly open atmosphere...will attend again and see about joining a study.

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  14. Using Blogger/Blogspot...

    Just home from very long day at St. John's ambulance first aid course. Only had two wrong on final exam. Only a one day course.

    I think as a professional student I can opine on this with credibility.

    Like with the WHMIS test last week, I do not like these types of one day crash courses. WHMIS was not covered before the test very well at all. Much of the test was guessing, which I hate. Today, to make matters worse the instructor was a drill sergeant with an accent. He never yelled at me but at one point asked if I understood English, to which I replied that I did but did not understand him. He laughed. He did know his work.

    Yes I am not intimated by Profs. anymore...

    Been there seen the stuff.

    Anyway the course and all aspects are pass/fail with no other grade but based on two test results I would be at 4.0 or 4.3 from the two course work Christian institutions I went to and I reason I did better on the main BST exam with the results Friday.

    I am this time very sure this shall be my last post-secondary course work ever. Theses work is far more a demonstration of proficiency and one actually learns facts better my revising again and again than memorizing for exams.

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  15. I should state that I just had a look at the Douglas College grading scale and almost identical to TWU. My grade if I had one other than P/F would be the same as at TWU.

    Would be 4.3.

    Still, had enough.:)

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  16. Found out today I passed the EST course through the Justice Institute of BC and Douglas College. Had over 90% on the final exam, and although this is just P/F, it would be A+ and 4.33 GPA based on the Douglas grading scale. A much more generous scale than I had when at CBC and TWU with their differing scales, although the TWU one is nearly identical to Douglas now.

    I probably finished in the top 5 or less of the class and one person had already done the course before in another province, and another person was a recent A student @ BCIT. For being somewhat rusty from course work, in a totally new field, having not done any since 1999, my grades were reasonable.

    Now to use it along with my more recent theses research and investigation skills to find work.

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  24. Interesting response. I agree wholeheartedly with you. We do not need another man to interpret The Christ's words even if so called 'anointed one' didn't start Christianity - Paul did.
    I am also glad, as much as I despair and dislike all evangelists, to note that it was a common consensus of opinion that gave rise to one bunch of monotheists breaking away to form another group. If only such a fracture hadn't caused such horrific acts of torture, war and inhumanity we could all be happy. Hopefully this consensual process will establish a Christianity of love and compassion based on the laws of nature and not of man. And that homosexuals are not portrayed wrongly as deviant.

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  25. Russell, thank you very much for the comment.

    Read Luke and Acts and also the ending of Matthew and the Gospel of John, Jesus Christ commissioned his Apostles to preach the Gospel. Eventually Paul became part of the fold (Acts 9 fw).

    Paul, in my mind is his letters and Acts, and this is an idea that goes back to my CBC/BA days, amplified the teachings of Christ and other Apostles. He was the recognized religious scholar and added further explanation to theology. He did not invent the faith and worldview-philosophy but amplified it.

    As far as homosexuality, see Paul in Romans 1-3 and 1 Corinthians 6.

    Thanks again...

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  26. Russell, I don't need to read any part of the bible to gain moral rectitude. Mine are robust and impervious and accept the great creations methods without exception. Love is key not man made intolerance, doctrine or base ritual.
    And if Paul did not invent the faith who did? Not Jesus. Not Yahweh. And you haven't answered why the Christian church changed by consensus.

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  27. Reading Bible is essential for understanding Christianity...liberal non-Christian and conservative and liberal scholars of Church would agree. It is well-documented that the European state-church changed views with addition and negation as I noted with theology examples.
    Therefore the need for the Reformation. Cheers- Russell Russ via one finger cell.

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  28. I apologise, I didn't know you could read Latin. Sorry.
    My point still remains, and yes I am very aware that we Europeans didn't like the Papal control and therefore rebelled against it. It was by general consensus though. And I only need the facts of history to support this, not the fanciful fiction of the bible no matter how beautiful its prose in many parts. Consensus is the way forward as so ably demonstrated by Protestants. Without it we would still be under the thumb of Paul's Catholic faith.

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  29. I can read, with text assistance Biblical Greek aka Koine Greek..

    What we have here is different worldviews and different assumptions, but a point in regard to mentioning other non-Christian scholars could be that even if I became a deist, hypothetically, I would still need to understand Christianity largely via the Bible.

    Similar to as a non-Muslim, I would need to understand their texts such as the Quran to provide an academic scholarly thorough critique in many areas.

    Cheers, my friend...

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  30. Also, the church-state issues in Europe would be documented in many secular and let us state because it is a Christian writer, Christian sources.

    But, I will note that humanist Blackburn, for example, when crossing from philosophy to theology provides me with certain info about the church as my Christians texts would.

    There are some largely agreed upon historical facts, but there is different interpretations and different worldviews.

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