Friday, December 05, 2014

Proverbs 17: 27-28

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Proverbs 17:27-28

New American Standard Bible (NASB) 27 He who restrains his words [a]has knowledge, And he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding. 28 Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.

Footnotes: Proverbs 17:27 Lit knows New American Standard Bible (NASB) Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation

Last Sunday with the sermon at church, the Lead Pastor stated (paraphrased) that persons tend not to think, make decisions and act based on reason, objectively, but tend to think, make decisions and act based on emotions, subjectively. I agree that this is true, generally, speaking.

Recent events make this evident once again.

I am not going to disclose many details.

I also, by the way, do not claim to have a perfectly, rational, reasonable mind that is always objective when it should be. I am tainted by sin (Romans 1-3).

There are subjective sides of issues, but idealistically it should not damage objectivity.

I do have a highly-trained (in my academic fields), active, objective mind, that is sinful and finite.

Basically, presently in a group there was a specific problem with a fellow person. He and I are definite Christian believers.

To be more specific it was a problem related to him, more so than a problem with him directly as a person.

The person was oblivious to the problem that the others and I had to something related with this person.

I had with humour attempted to to mention the problem, to perhaps soften it as an issue, but it was ignored.

Eventually, from this group leader an order was made via email to basically change circumstances that would end all like problems that could occur with any person and end the specific problem related to this person.

I, trying to show Christian love (John 15, Mark 12, Matthew 15) by email warned this fellow Christian and friend of the email command before he would have the opportunity to read it, in order to make certain changes, as soon as possible in order to end the related problem.

In order to help his standing with the group.

This fellow Christian followed my advice and the email order; but now he is angry and offended with me and is denying completely that there was ever any problem, ever any issue.

The reasoning being because the circumstances are now changed and the problem non-existent; therefore there was not a problem previously.

But, without going into details, I can simply state that there is not a problem now that the email directive was followed but there was a problem previously.

If there was not a problem the email command from the group leader would not have occurred. I know this not only empirically by experiencing the problem, but also by discussing the matter with the leader and others involved.

But, the fellow Christian, when I tried to explain my position and the position of the group, claimed that if I did not stop explaining the problem that had been related to him, that I risked harassment.

So, I stopped.

That is the end of the matter.

I see this type of overly emotional, overly subjective approach to problems at times offline and online in dialogue that sometimes becomes disputes.

Communication ends because a person does not want to risk his/her intellectual/philosophical position and so all dialogue ends.

This is often true when there is anger involved by the offended party.

Perhaps at times there is fear of perhaps having to admit something, that one does not want to admit.

There is not an agreement in truth. Which is unfortunate when persons are in Christ.

This person reached out to family which predictably supported, but that does not deal with the objectivity or not of the problem, or the position, does it?

From my perspective I need to simply, as noted, see the issue as ended.

If the friendship is less, so be it. Frankly, anyone that states I might be harassing them is a very questionable friend.

This definition of harassment was simply my side of the story as one trying to be a Christian friend.

Where is the New Testament love toward me?  Limited at best.

Forgiveness is claimed for the supposed offense but my position was not even considered.

When we honestly think about it, in heated debates, is this type of harassment accusation not sometimes the case?

I sometimes am challenged and disagree with critiques. But unlike with this first scenario, I do attempt to listen and I do ponder and pray on the criticisms.

Sometimes I receive an apology and have apologized my share of times as well in situations.

So, I shall follow Proverbs 17: 27-28, and need to continually learn when to keep silent and when to speak with a cool head.

Live and learn.

23 comments:

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  2. Santa: What do you want for Christmas this year?

    Jordan: Rudolph

    Santa: You can't have my favorite reindeer. Why would you want Rudolph anyway?

    Jordan: Cause I love venison.

    Santa (holding back his laughter): That's it! You're going on the Naughty List!

    …..Copyright 2014 Mike Atkinson (www.mikeysFunnies.com) by way of “Christian Voices” (ChristianVoices@att.net)

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  3. 10-20 minutes work a day??

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  4. An Italian CPA wants a job, but the foreman
    won't hire him until he passes a little math test..
    'Here's your first question,' the foreman said.
    'Without using numbers, represent the number 9.'
    'Withouta numbers?' the Italian says, 'Datsa easy.' and
    he proceeds to draw three trees.
    'What's this?' the boss asks.
    'Ave you gota no brain? Tree and tree and tree makes a nine,'
    says the Italian.
    'Fair enough,' says the boss.

    'Here's your second question.

    Use the same rules, but this time the number is 99.'
    The Italian stares into space for a while, then picks up the picture
    that he has just drawn and makes a smudge on each tree .
    'Ere you go.'
    The boss scratches his head and says, 'How on earth
    do you get that to represent 99?'
    'Eacha of da trees is a dirty now. So, it's dirty tree, and dirty
    tree, and dirty tree. Datsa a 99.'
    The boss is getting worried that he's going to actually have to hire
    this Italian, so he says, 'All right, last question.
    Same rules again, but represent the number 100.'
    The Italian stares into space some more, then he picks up the picture
    again and makes a little mark at the base of each tree and says, 'Ere
    you go. One hundred.'
    The boss looks at the attempt. 'You must be nuts if you think that
    represents a hundred!'


    (You're going to love this one!!!)


    The Italian leans forward and points to the marks at the base of each
    tree and says, 'A little doga come along and shita by eacha tree. So now
    you gota dirty tree and a turd, dirty tree and a turd, and dirty tree and a
    turd, data makea one hundred.
    So, whenna I start?

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  5. I'm not trying to cause a problem or dispute, but I was listening to Chuck Swindoll on one of the local Christian radio stations, and, though I usually like what he says, he mentioned Psalm 8:5, and said, "...You have made him [man] a little lower than God..."
    My first reaction was, "WHAT??! BLASPHEMY!!" because I was familiar with that verse, and I knew it said that man was made a little lower than the *angels.* To say that man was made a little lower than *God* is a very, very different thing. So I suspected that it was because of the version he was reading from. I looked it up, and apparently, he was reading from the NASB. That translation of that verse, to me, is inexcusable, and I maintain my opinion that it is basically blasphemy. I am not a KJV-Only person, but I found the following link, which addresses this exact issue:

    Is man a little lower than God or a little lower than the angels?

    Your thoughts?

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  6. Believe it or not, during my devotional time earlier today, part of my reading included the following verses, which seem to fit your article quite appropriately:

    "Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will." (2 Timothy 2:23-26)

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  7. On cell @ work...can review this more later. Based on Hebrews relates to your verse I have seen the interpretation angels...not God. I use NASB....I will let other issue cool. If I erred it was by stating a truth for which I should have stayed mute.

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  8. On a mainframe @ work. Looked at NASB, God in text or angels in notes is option for Psalms 8:5, via context, theology and Hebrews 2 I would agree and favour angels as interp.... Not God.

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  9. Regarding my second comment, it was not meant as a criticism or judgment. It was just that I was reading those verses earlier that same day that seemed to speak to that type of situation in general. I don't know how much it relates to your specific situation.

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  10. A man suffered a serious heart attack while shopping in a store.



    The store clerk called 911 when they saw him collapse to the floor.



    The paramedics rushed the man to the nearest hospital where he had emergency open heart bypass surgery.



    He awakened from the surgery to find himself in the care of nuns at the Catholic Hospital .



    A nun was seated next to his bed holding a clipboard loaded with several forms, and a pen.



    She asked him how he was going to pay for his treatment. "Do you have health insurance?" she asked.



    He replied in a raspy voice, "No health insurance."



    The nun asked, "Do you have money in the bank?"



    He replied, "No money in the bank."



    Do you have a relative who could help you with the payments?" asked the irritated nun.



    He said, "I only have a spinster sister, and she is a nun."



    The nun became agitated and announced loudly, "Nuns are not spinsters!



    Nuns are married to God."



    The patient replied, "Perfect. Send the bill to my brother-in-law."

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  11. Thanks, Jeff.

    I think I technically was trying to be helpful, but this person does not want assistance.

    So, if I erred it was by trying to assist rather than being silent.

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  12. Subject: Quote of the day
    LA Times Quote of the day - priceless
    Dianne Feinstein: "All vets are mentally ill in some way, and government should
    prevent them from owning firearms."

    Yep, - she really said it on Thursday in a meeting in front of the Senate
    Judiciary Committee.... and the quote below from the LA Times is priceless.
    Sometimes even the L.A. Times gets it right!!!


    Quote of the Day from the Los Angeles Times: PRICELESS!!!

    "Frankly, I don't know what it is about California , but we seem to have a
    strange urge to elect really obnoxious women to high office. I'm not bragging,
    you understand, but no other state, including Maine , even comes close. When it
    comes to sending left-wing dingbats to Washington , we're Number One. There's no
    getting around the fact that the last time anyone saw the likes of Barbara
    Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Maxine Waters, and Nancy Pelosi, they were stirring a
    cauldron when the curtain went up on ' Macbeth '. The four of them are like
    jackasses who happen to possess the gift of blab. You don't know if you should
    condemn them for their stupidity or simply marvel at their ability to form
    words."
    Columnist Burt Prelutsky,
    Los Angeles Times
    Be sure to forward this to all of the "mentally ill" vets you know.

    Especially the ones with guns...

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